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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fuck Oxfam

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DismantledKing · 05/06/2023 21:55

Anyone seen the tweet by Maya tonight about this little animation by Oxfam? Here’s the link:

https://twitter.com/mforstater/status/1665817901327085568?s=46&t=U7-xooKExwmFQ8mivn72lw

as I said, fuck Oxfam.

Fuck Oxfam
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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 06/06/2023 14:26

The replies to the new Oxfam tweet has bought some Withnail into my life

GailBlancheViola · 06/06/2023 14:30

Trouble is @BernardBlacksMolluscs there was nothing remotely accidental about it.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 06/06/2023 14:30

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 06/06/2023 14:26

The replies to the new Oxfam tweet has bought some Withnail into my life

Withnail being the spiritual father of Bernard Black.

FromAMNtter · 06/06/2023 14:33

What they got from me this morning. Will also raise concerns around governance with the Charity Commission

“Dear Oxfam
I have been a monthly gift aid supporter of Oxfam since 1996. I am also a woman who holds the protected belief that sex is immutable and that women should be allowed single sex spaces and same sex relationships without having to accommodate males who identify as women. I believe that there should be separate and equivalent provision for trans people. This is a complex area that requires mature debate to balance the rights of women and trans people. In particular, taking into account women who for reasons of trauma, religion or culture could not share spaces with a biological male and may self exclude if males were allowed in a space or a service.

I would expect Oxfam with its international remit to understand the trauma some women face and the cultural and religious differences that exist in different communities. Would Oxfam expect women who had suffered rape during a war to have to share services with an intact biological male simply because he stated he was a women? If Oxfam was providing services and support in communities where religious or cultural beliefs meant that women and men would not share certain facilities demand that a biological male was allowed into the women's space if he stated he was female?

I feel that this image in your recent Pride Video is directly aimed at women like me. It is demonising us for holding beliefs that have been recognised as protected under the Equality Act 2010 in Forstater v CGD Europe and Others. Furthermore the term TERF has been recognised as derogatory in two separate court cases (in Miller v The College of Policing and others Mr Justice Knowles indicated that it is used by those who wish to deplatform those who hold different views and in Bailey v Stonewall, Garden Court Chambers and others Employment Judge Goodman likened it to a racial slur). The image is misogynistic, ageist and employs crude racial stereotypes. It is deeply offensive and discriminatory.

Pride 2023 | Oxfam International (https://www.oxfam.org/en/pride-2023)
I am incredibly disappointed and upset to see Oxfam vilifying women's concerns in this way especially as those beliefs are protected in law.

If Oxfam does not provide the following I will cancel my donation and find a different international aid organisation to support:-

  1. A full public apology for this offensive image; and
  2. An independent review into the processes that allowed this image to be used in the first place; and
  3. A review of Oxfam's diversity and equality training to ensure that it recognises all protected characteristics and beliefs appropriately; and
  4. Details of the cost of producing this discriminatory video and whether or not supporter donations funded it.”
Fuck Oxfam
highame · 06/06/2023 14:35

I receive letters etc from Oxfam because I used to donate. Today I called to tell them I no longer wanted to be reminded of their existence. I explained why and a very understanding man on the phone clearly understood why I was so angry. He said that everything was being fed back to them and I got the impression it was ALL of what I said. I told them that Pride should be a celebration of the fight for equality that gay people had suffered. It was not a place for hate.

highame · 06/06/2023 14:37

FromAMNtter nicely put

DerekFaker · 06/06/2023 14:42

Ethics over profits.

Fucking hell. The rape of vulnerable women and girls and abuse of staff is ethical, is it?

GailBlancheViola · 06/06/2023 14:45

DerekFaker · 06/06/2023 14:42

Ethics over profits.

Fucking hell. The rape of vulnerable women and girls and abuse of staff is ethical, is it?

Oxfam, in my opinion, got off very lightly over that. The organisation should have been closed down then and those who had raped and abused women and girls in Haiti should be in a fucking jail cell IN HAITI.

Slothtoes · 06/06/2023 14:59

That’s a brilliant letter FromAMNtter

WarriorN · 06/06/2023 15:02

More ratios (and it's going up like a rocket)

Fuck Oxfam
DerekFaker · 06/06/2023 15:07

KalimbaMoon · 06/06/2023 13:28

You know you can be a trans ally and still criticise pro-trans organisations when they make mistakes, don’t you, Mishy? So, in the case of Oxfam we have the Haiti scandal, the blaming of feminists for rape, the erasure of women and their language, the vicious pile-on against an Oxfam worker asking why JK Rowling books couldn’t be on sale, and now this Pride video, which features the use of a misogynistic slur (TERF), racist and ageist imagery, the ghoulish celebration of mastectomy scars, and the red-eyed demonisation of women who dare to raise safeguarding concerns and hold beliefs that are protected in law. Very unethical of them.

As a woman, you are cheering for the wrong team, Mishy. They’d throw you under the bus as soon as look at you. No doubt you lap all this stuff up because you think that showing even a whiff of dissent would put paid to your pure, virtuous “ally” status. Wake up and smell the misogyny.

TRAs don't give a fig about misogyny! It's one of the most self-centred, misogynistic movements around. As long as you kiss their butts in some way, you're golden.

JuvenileEmu · 06/06/2023 15:13

MishyJDI · 06/06/2023 10:40

Well having read the vitriol in this thread and on twitter, have to hand it to Oxfam for calling out the anti LGBT hate and standing strong. Ethics over profits. Rare in this say and age. I'll certainly be shopping more there given their inclusion, and I dont feel as a woman excluded. Far from it.

What are your feelings about the rape of children in Haiti by Oxfam staff? Is that a positive or a negative for you? Ethical or not?

Iafontaine · 06/06/2023 15:22

Further evidence that Oxfam has lost touch with its original values, what a shame.
Well put @FromAMNtter

Signalbox · 06/06/2023 15:25

Boiledbeetle · 06/06/2023 14:13

Ooh what a memorable Pride Month this is turning out to be!

Lol seems to be going so well so far doesn’t it. Only 6 days in. What else can they pull out of the hat 😂

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 06/06/2023 15:36

What happened to companies just saying ‘we promise not to fire you because you’re gay, and we’ll discipline any employees who harass you because you’re gay’ and meaning it

that seems like a completely adequate way for organisations to mark pride month to me

littlbrowndog · 06/06/2023 15:37

They have so much previous form

Fuck Oxfam
IcakethereforeIam · 06/06/2023 15:42

They've posted an inadequate apology

Fuck Oxfam
WarriorN · 06/06/2023 15:45

Biological facts are now philosophical beliefs.

Violence against women and girls is a philosophical belief.

Fml

mcduffy · 06/06/2023 15:46

IcakethereforeIam · 06/06/2023 15:42

They've posted an inadequate apology

Ooh 👀
I really hope JKR's lawyers are limbering up

ResisterRex · 06/06/2023 15:47

IcakethereforeIam · 06/06/2023 15:42

They've posted an inadequate apology

Hopeless. Concerns raised included children yet: "all people should be able to make decisions about their lives". Of course this word serves to obscure the harm done to girls when they have a double mastectomy, for instance!

Presumably the rest of the video is as it was then.

WarriorN · 06/06/2023 15:49

😂

Fuck Oxfam
MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 06/06/2023 15:50

There was no intention to portray any particular person who has GC beliefs, it's just coincidence that the person called a TERF and wearing a badge that mimics the poppy worn by JKR a few years ago looks like JKR, dresses like JKR and has hair like JKR.

Right, got it. OTOH if it looks like bullshit, smells like bullshit....

WarriorN · 06/06/2023 15:50

There must have been a frantic phone call to the law dept this afternoon Grin

WarriorN · 06/06/2023 15:51

Hurried scanning of EA documents... would have loved to have been a fly on the wall then Grin

Boiledbeetle · 06/06/2023 15:54

IcakethereforeIam · 06/06/2023 15:42

They've posted an inadequate apology

Weasly bet there's lots of shouting in their head office!

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