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‘NHS trans surgery damaged my body for ever — it’s not safe’

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Igneococcus · 04/06/2023 07:51

In the Sunday Times today about Richie Herron's and another unnamed patient's lawsuit.

"At the seven NHS adult gender clinics in England and Wales, surgery and cross-sex hormones are offered after the age of 18. Patients have at least two assessment appointments with a specialist medical practitioner before hormone treatment is recommended, and those who are considering surgical treatment have two further meetings with separate clinical professionals before they are referred."

I had more appointments (over a period of 18 months) for my pre-cancerous thyroid nodules before I was referred to surgery.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cf857796-01ec-11ee-b730-2607a18701aa?shareToken=37ab04ab9cda65fdbba5187efb95be79

‘NHS trans surgery damaged my body for ever — it’s not safe’

An autistic patient who reversed his transition is suing over treatment given to young people with gender dysphoria

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cf857796-01ec-11ee-b730-2607a18701aa?shareToken=37ab04ab9cda65fdbba5187efb95be79

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ArabeIIaScott · 04/06/2023 13:06

maranella · 04/06/2023 08:06

It's so heartbreaking to see these cases. There is an article this morning in the DM that's bound to end up in the same, tragic situation if the surgery goes ahead:

My god, that's heartbreaking.

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 04/06/2023 13:16

Thanks @WarriorN I've donated.

OldCrone · 04/06/2023 13:27

I know this forum can be quite harsh at times, not just this topic but many others, but I'm glad for parents of trans kids you can find support and comfort.

'Trans kids' have been invented by adults. No child is a transsexual. There are gender nonconforming children and some who like to play make-believe that they're the opposite sex. Some children have been abused or traumatised and think it would be better if they were the opposite sex. None of them are transsexual or 'trans'. Transsexualism is for adults.

Backstreets · 04/06/2023 13:34

nilsmousehammer · 04/06/2023 11:55

Also thinking of a family member who identified as Sonic the Hedgehog for about 18 months aged 6, and lived as Sonic most of the time.

Ha ha ha!
I'm starting C25K next week so also hoping to join the ultrafast blue hedgehog community soon!

user01082312345 · 04/06/2023 13:39

There should be no such thing as gender reassignment surgery. It's madness! If you want to pretend to be a man/woman, then so be it. But biologically, you can't change your sex or gender! These people need psychological evaluation and therapy on how to accept the body they were born into.

FannyCann · 04/06/2023 13:42

Backstreets · 04/06/2023 11:23

I was dipping into Angela carter’s collected nonfiction this morning and in the 70s she reviewed a book about anorexia, succinctly describing the social contagion element of the disease and comparing it to the proliferation of schizophrenia in the sixties after the release of the book The Divided Self. There is really nothing new under the sun, but the internet really speeds it up.

The internet and social media chuck rocketfuel at it.

FrancescaContini · 04/06/2023 13:44

Poor, poor Ritchie: he’s just autistic. He’s just gay. That’s all. But the damage done to his body can never be undone.

As for the unnamed 21-year-old booked in for “genital removal surgery” - also autistic, according to the article - his father must be petrified. I can’t begin to imagine the horror of the situation.

WTF, NHS: you’re booking young people in to REMOVE THEIR GENITALS.

FannyCann · 04/06/2023 13:45

borntobequiet · 04/06/2023 10:21

You sound like a good case for endometrial ablation. Was that offered?

After scans and a hysterescopy the coil was suggested both to limit the bleeding and as the progesterone component of HRT. Other routes might have been taken had it not worked. I’ve had it replaced already - 4 years is advised if primarily used for HRT, which I never intend to stop. Medics seem OK with this.

Glad you are happy with your treatment and problem solved. Hysterectomy comes with its own problems and possible complications so avoiding that is a win I am sure.

ArabeIIaScott · 04/06/2023 14:23

FrancescaContini · 04/06/2023 13:44

Poor, poor Ritchie: he’s just autistic. He’s just gay. That’s all. But the damage done to his body can never be undone.

As for the unnamed 21-year-old booked in for “genital removal surgery” - also autistic, according to the article - his father must be petrified. I can’t begin to imagine the horror of the situation.

WTF, NHS: you’re booking young people in to REMOVE THEIR GENITALS.

Yes. Yet men are being prosecuted right now for doing this to each other.

FrancescaContini · 04/06/2023 14:40

ArabeIIaScott · 04/06/2023 14:23

Yes. Yet men are being prosecuted right now for doing this to each other.

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Ergo…??!

ArabeIIaScott · 04/06/2023 15:10

Here is an NHS Trust listing WPATH's Standards of Care 8 in their 'resources for professionals' section.

This includes a whole section on Eunuchs. And links to 'the Eunuch Archive', which I highly advise not clicking on. NHS Scotland had to report themselves to the Police after it was found they were hosting these Standards on their website.

https://www.cntw.nhs.uk/services/northern-region-gender-dysphoria-service-specialist-service-walkergate-park/information-for-professionals/

Information for professionals

What is gender/gender dysphoria? The concept of gender has many different facets including, but not limited to, gender identity, gender role, gender expression and biological sex. Each of us will have our own unique experiences of how we define ourselv...

https://www.cntw.nhs.uk/services/northern-region-gender-dysphoria-service-specialist-service-walkergate-park/information-for-professionals

ArabeIIaScott · 04/06/2023 15:11

To be clear - the NHS site is not hosting the links to the Eunuch archive. Those are in the WPATH Standards of Care.

FrancescaContini · 04/06/2023 15:17

Interesting wording by LBC: “eunuch maker”. So is that what the NHS does when it agrees with young men to “remove their genitals”, as per the wording in the newspaper article quoted in the OP?

ArabeIIaScott · 04/06/2023 15:26

That was the name of the website, I believe.

Beyond that, I couldn't possibly say.

Nap1983 · 04/06/2023 15:27

Namechange666 · 04/06/2023 09:57

Sorry but to blame the NHS for something that they wanted and they asked for?

If the NHS Hadn't have treated them, would be have been classed as transphobic and anti- LGBT.

This is not the NHS fault at all.

This is an unfortunate consequence of someone who has no changed their mind.

It's awful and it's unfortunate. But ultimately, they chose to do this to themselves!

This is what I think, you have put it much more eloquently than I could have. At what point do people take responsibility for what they have asked to be done to them.. I have very little sympathy tbh

ArabeIIaScott · 04/06/2023 15:30

Sorry but to blame the NHS for something that they wanted and they asked for?

The men who willingly removed each others' body parts in that newspaper article I linked to above are in court for GBH. These mean all wanted the body parts removed and asked for it to happen.

FrancescaContini · 04/06/2023 15:40

Nap1983 · 04/06/2023 15:27

This is what I think, you have put it much more eloquently than I could have. At what point do people take responsibility for what they have asked to be done to them.. I have very little sympathy tbh

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Shouldn’t the question be: why is the NHS carrying out these barbaric, irreversible procedures? Why are medics removing healthy body parts?

GailBlancheViola · 04/06/2023 15:51

This is what I think, you have put it much more eloquently than I could have. At what point do people take responsibility for what they have asked to be done to them.. I have very little sympathy tbh

Have they asked for it to be done or been told this it is the solution for them?

GailBlancheViola · 04/06/2023 15:54

Shouldn’t the question be: why is the NHS carrying out these barbaric, irreversible procedures? Why are medics removing healthy body parts?

I take very dim view of medics doing this it is Frankenstein/Mengele levels of barbarity. It should never have been an option or an idea in the first place.

Croneofakind · 04/06/2023 15:59

@Namechange666

It's awful and it's unfortunate. But ultimately, they chose to do this to themselves

Sounds a bit like the rape defence lawyer focusing on what the victim was wearing.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/06/2023 16:05

OldCrone · 04/06/2023 13:27

I know this forum can be quite harsh at times, not just this topic but many others, but I'm glad for parents of trans kids you can find support and comfort.

'Trans kids' have been invented by adults. No child is a transsexual. There are gender nonconforming children and some who like to play make-believe that they're the opposite sex. Some children have been abused or traumatised and think it would be better if they were the opposite sex. None of them are transsexual or 'trans'. Transsexualism is for adults.

Well said.

Most kids wouldn't even think about this rubbish if adults didn't put ideas into their heads.
Those teachers we see posting online about how they told their class that they are trans/ non-binary/ whatever the heck else and how they should be addressed and sometimes feelings and bodies don't match - they should just shut up about their preferred genders and get on with teaching the curriculum.

NotHavingIt · 04/06/2023 16:15

Namechange666 · 04/06/2023 09:58

Now*

BTW, I am also not anti-trans. I do not care if someone wishes to be another gender. That is up to them and no business of mine. But this was their choice. Not the NHS.

Gender has nothing to do with the body. To be another gender all you need to do is perform a different set of mannerisms.

The conflation of sex with gender is at the root of a lot of suffering.

NotHavingIt · 04/06/2023 16:15

....and the NHS should not be affirming a troubled young person's delusions.

HandBall · 04/06/2023 16:35

HatchetJob · 04/06/2023 10:09

My friend had to fight for sterilisation after 7 children. In case ‘she wanted more’. She has surprise twins and definitely did not want more.

We know someone who had M2F surgery. They had a year of therapy and ‘living as a woman’. It was perfectly obvious to everyone around him that it would be a disaster. It was, he gave up dressing as a woman, wearing his wig, dilating within a year. He was a gay man and was ashamed of it, therapy did not pick that up. Now he is mutilated.

DD has a friend whose brother has decided he is a woman. He is obviously ASD (like 2 other siblings) and is very unhappy. His mother seems scared to question it. Worst of all the name he has picked is basically the same as his sister. Everyone has to go along with it to keep them happy though.

We know a political family (one child a Tory Special advisor the Dad is high up in the Union movement) , one male child had ASD and went on puberty blockers and the other child a brother was gay. If it was ok for one to be gay why not the other?