Zara in Oxford

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https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23564525.oxford-non-binary-shopper-refused-entry-womens-changing-room/

With so many businesses pandering to gender woo it's always good to hear about the ones that don't.

Great comments too.

Gender identity = he can buy and wear a dress if he wants.

Sex = he can't try it on in the women's changing room.

Why is this difficult to understand? And apparently by people who think about the difference between sex and gender all the time?

Exactly! If he is non-binary he is not a woman either!
And: pushed past the assistant? Very male behaviour!

That's why sex matters, reject gender stereotypes all you like, I applaud you, but single sex spaces should be single sex.

I think this is the most succinct way of summarising the whole issue of men attempting to access women only spaces.

The levels of entitlement are off the scale at the moment!

I have just received some fantastic dresses from Zara for the summer - they are beating the rest of the high street hands down IMO. So glad I don't have to feel bad about keeping them now!

Well done, Zara Oxford 👏

I don't understand why someone like this doesn't just use a little basic human consideration. It doesn't take Einstein to work out that if you have a beard and look obviously male, women in a state of undress in a changing room are going to feel threatened. Why do the non-binary person's wishes automatically trump theirs?

Store should put a sign up. We have 2 changing rooms catering for non binary:
Downstairs - Non binary with a vagina
Upstairs - Non binary with penis.

Why do the non-binary person's wishes automatically trump theirs?

Because they're very special unlike ordinary wimmin.

The manager should have called the police when he wwnt in the female changing rooms even though he was told no. Entitled little shit. And as for apologising to him, wtf?

I took DD to H&M the other day and made her try on some shorts (men’s!) before I bought them. I had to go into the changing rooms with her as they were unisex and she’s terrified a man accidentally walks in on her.
I don’t think any of them think at all who is in the changing rooms at all.

You are expecting them to care about anyone but themselves.

They don't.

So much so they don't even realise they are damaging their own cause.

The point is they wanted to make a scene.

They wanted to asset "their rights".

In doing so coming across as utterly arrogant.

Like the Starbucks mgr they simply show their distain for everyone else's rights whilst claiming victimisation for a situation of their own making that was totally unnecessary.

Kiwano · Today 14:12

I don't understand why someone like this doesn't just use a little basic human consideration.

Id say it's because Giorgio is a spiteful, bullying bitch, who gets off on making women feel uncomfortable.

I'm full of admiration for the shop assistant, who held her ground and told him what's what, even though he pushed her out of the way, to enable himself to act out his exercise in self-validation.

If they’re non-binary they’re not identifying as a man or as a woman. Otherwise they’d identify as a trans woman. So why choose the women’s changing room?

If they are just clothes, then it's fine for someone who identifies as neither male or female to use either changing rooms.

Otherwise it's just saying that the clothes define my identity.

In which case any woman trying on a pair of trousers should use the men's. Or is the defining factor what labelling someone decided in a factory. In which case gender is decided by third world fashion factories and fashion buyers? Is that what we are saying?

Or are we saying that women who feel uncomfortable with bearded penis havers with gender stereotyped ideas of what is male and female don't matter and should have to put up with males in the women's? Cos that sounds remarkably like sexism ...

Dehumanising is an ironic descriptor from a person who's chosen to ignore millenia of human biology.

quantumbutterfly · Today 15:52

Dehumanising is an ironic descriptor from a person who's chosen to ignore millenia of human biology.

He's evidently memorised most of the buzzwords from the Whiner's Manual, hasn't he? Shamed him, dehumanised him; sake! He needs to get a grip and get over himself.

So many men like that.

I don't understand why someone like this doesn't just use a little basic human consideration

See, there's your mistake. Considerate people factor the feelings of other people into their thinking when they wonder if they should pursue a course of action that's guaranteed to cause alarm and distress to some other people. People like this don't do that because others are just the bit players in their big drama. A bit like 2 year olds, really.

I see his mum is piping up for him. He's got everything he ever wanted, even his mother defending the indefensible.

He wouldn't know a boundary if it hit him on the head.

Susanna Perutz is actually the woman's (Anna's) mum, not they's(!) mum.

All so anxious for their 5 minutes in the limelight.

Sorry, who Anna?

Smuggo from the picture in the article.