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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 04/06/2023 16:58

It's worth skimming past the first five minutes of Matt Walsh talking sexist bollocks for the sake of hearing the perfectly shocking albeit perfectly genuine views of Marci Bowers (transwoman, president of WPATH, gender surgeon). The blue haired children's doctor was good (grim) value too though more of a sitting duck.

Matt Walsh is part of a problem but not part of the problem. Marci Bowers and all those who nod along with her are the problem, regardless of whether they are right, left, sexist, homophobic or rainbow waving.

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 17:19

PorcelinaV · 04/06/2023 14:04

But in this case, the Matt Walsh documentary is the most successful made on this subject in the United States and probably the world.

How sensible is it, that GC feminists should just ignore it, because they don't want to help the Daily Wire?

Your argument seems very hypothetical. Maybe the United States will be taken in a more conservative direction. And maybe this wouldn't have happened, if only a few GC feminists hadn't linked to a Matt Walsh documentary, or KJK hadn't appeared on Tucker Carlson. It doesn't seem especially likely does it?

I don't see why people can't say, "the benefits of slight agreement or slight cooperation with Christian conservatives on one issue, outweighs the hypothetical risks".

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If Matt Walsh was just a conservative christian American, then it would be perfectly reasonable to spread this film. Of course one might find agreement with people that are otherwise politically opposed, or disagreement with people you're typically politically aligned with. But there are limits.

Matt Walsh is a white nationalist who regularly talks up Great Replacement Theory. He's anti abortion. He has extremely 'traditional' views about the place of women in the world. Matt Walsh is a conservative Christian in the same sense that the Commanders in The Handmaid's Tale are conservative Christians.

The concept of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' was brought up above. As extraordinary as it may seem, I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

I think it is absurd for a feminist movement that argues their interests are protecting women's rights to be embracing a man who thinks girls should be impregnated young so they can produce more white babies. Don't worry though he wants to make sure they're married before they're impregnated.

Clymene · 04/06/2023 17:24

No one is embracing him @TraumatisedGooner

Theladyinluna · 04/06/2023 17:28

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 17:19

If Matt Walsh was just a conservative christian American, then it would be perfectly reasonable to spread this film. Of course one might find agreement with people that are otherwise politically opposed, or disagreement with people you're typically politically aligned with. But there are limits.

Matt Walsh is a white nationalist who regularly talks up Great Replacement Theory. He's anti abortion. He has extremely 'traditional' views about the place of women in the world. Matt Walsh is a conservative Christian in the same sense that the Commanders in The Handmaid's Tale are conservative Christians.

The concept of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' was brought up above. As extraordinary as it may seem, I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

I think it is absurd for a feminist movement that argues their interests are protecting women's rights to be embracing a man who thinks girls should be impregnated young so they can produce more white babies. Don't worry though he wants to make sure they're married before they're impregnated.

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And being as we are a bunch of genocidal fascist nazis who want to eradicate people according to TRAs, I'll not be taking the word of anyone, let alone an anon on the internet, the extremist slurs that you are making there. I think we should have all learned to do our own research before giving heed to anyone's slurring words against another.

maltravers · 04/06/2023 17:29

Well TG, you may be right about his views or it may be rubbish - TRAs have a bit of a reputation for distorting the truth. But since I’m not supporting Matt Walsh and his views generally (shock horror!) but expressing relief that this film and its contents are being widely viewed, his other unrelated views aren’t overly relevant to me. Now if he was proposing cutting body parts off kids I would be interested, but that’s your side.

Jewel1968 · 04/06/2023 17:34

Would find a documentary that focused on the history and who benefits more interesting. I do think societal gender stereotypes is what is behind much of this alongside group think. This doc I guess has shone a light on some of it but the guy holding the torch is part of the problem. And he has no idea.

That trip to the Maasai people - what was that trying to prove? Was that his way of showing us that there are traditional roles that Men and Women have?

ohdelay · 04/06/2023 17:47

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 17:19

If Matt Walsh was just a conservative christian American, then it would be perfectly reasonable to spread this film. Of course one might find agreement with people that are otherwise politically opposed, or disagreement with people you're typically politically aligned with. But there are limits.

Matt Walsh is a white nationalist who regularly talks up Great Replacement Theory. He's anti abortion. He has extremely 'traditional' views about the place of women in the world. Matt Walsh is a conservative Christian in the same sense that the Commanders in The Handmaid's Tale are conservative Christians.

The concept of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' was brought up above. As extraordinary as it may seem, I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

I think it is absurd for a feminist movement that argues their interests are protecting women's rights to be embracing a man who thinks girls should be impregnated young so they can produce more white babies. Don't worry though he wants to make sure they're married before they're impregnated.

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You've spent a ;lot of time obfuscating about Matt Walsh and trying to prevent people watching the film. Can a woman have a penis or not? Also, Matt Walsh says the earth is round, is this correct? Or has programming not fully downloaded ObfuscationBot

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 17:48

If Matt Walsh was just a conservative christian American, then it would be perfectly reasonable to spread this film

Oh come the fuck on. More recently a group of very left wing feminists made a similar film from a left wing perspective and they've been hounded, no platformed and both verbally and physically attacked. So let's not pretend you and other TRAs believe there is a 'reasonable' way for women to share information or highlight the many harms of this ideology.

We're all perfectly aware of the views Walsh holds that go against feminist thought the big difference here is that I can openly say what I think of fundamentalist Christian views in pretty much any setting and not be penalised, lose my job or arrested. The same cannot be said about the religion of Gender.

namitynamechange · 04/06/2023 17:55

The thing about people with extremely regressive views on women/a women's place is at least you are able to argue with them because you are both (more or less) using words in the same way and have an agreement on stable definitions of things like "woman". Gender identity theory uses not only different definitions but refuses to acknowledge that its even possible to have a concrete, stable definition. Which makes it much harder.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/06/2023 17:58

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 17:19

If Matt Walsh was just a conservative christian American, then it would be perfectly reasonable to spread this film. Of course one might find agreement with people that are otherwise politically opposed, or disagreement with people you're typically politically aligned with. But there are limits.

Matt Walsh is a white nationalist who regularly talks up Great Replacement Theory. He's anti abortion. He has extremely 'traditional' views about the place of women in the world. Matt Walsh is a conservative Christian in the same sense that the Commanders in The Handmaid's Tale are conservative Christians.

The concept of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' was brought up above. As extraordinary as it may seem, I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

I think it is absurd for a feminist movement that argues their interests are protecting women's rights to be embracing a man who thinks girls should be impregnated young so they can produce more white babies. Don't worry though he wants to make sure they're married before they're impregnated.

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can I suggest that if you want to persuade anyone of anything, you need to be clear about your own views to start with?

if you want persuade people here that gender identity is real and everyone has one, maybe you could provide some pointers about what the gender identity shared by cis women and trans women is like?

Or explain why you can't / won't?

Hepwo · 04/06/2023 17:59

I know pp was saying the bit about his son at the start and his wife opening the jar was a joke but I really don't think it was

Jar opening is a universal sex difference joke! Unless it's someone who believes in God or something, is that what you are suggesting? Is that the explanation? The majority of the UK believed in God until 5 minutes ago, so is it not joking or joking depending on when they stopped believing?

The left have some weird bigotted views about normal people.

Hepwo · 04/06/2023 18:05

I think it is absurd for a feminist movement that argues their interests are protecting women's rights to be embracing a man who thinks girls should be impregnated young so they can produce more white babies. Don't worry though he wants to make sure they're married before they're impregnated.

Fucking hell, what a lot of spiteful manipulative shit you write.

You are addressing mothers, it's mumsnet. Try a bit of civility, if you have any. Actually it's very very clear you don't.

Do not bother replying, I will be skipping over any more of your abusive rubbish.

namitynamechange · 04/06/2023 18:08

I mean, if anything I am more concerned about the fact that (according to the narrative of the documentary) Matt Walsh suddenly needed an answer to the question of what a woman is that he left his home and embarked an a journey across America (plus a quick trip to Africa). It must have been weeks later that he returned to his home. So how long had his wife been standing there waiting for him to open the jar???

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:16

Hepwo · 04/06/2023 18:05

I think it is absurd for a feminist movement that argues their interests are protecting women's rights to be embracing a man who thinks girls should be impregnated young so they can produce more white babies. Don't worry though he wants to make sure they're married before they're impregnated.

Fucking hell, what a lot of spiteful manipulative shit you write.

You are addressing mothers, it's mumsnet. Try a bit of civility, if you have any. Actually it's very very clear you don't.

Do not bother replying, I will be skipping over any more of your abusive rubbish.

https://www.mediamatters.org/matt-walsh/matt-walshs-sordid-history-radio-host-exposed

I’m not going to apologise for highlighting who and what this man is. Not a single thing I said there misrepresents him.

Matt Walsh’s sordid history as a radio host, exposed

https://www.mediamatters.org/matt-walsh/matt-walshs-sordid-history-radio-host-exposed

namitynamechange · 04/06/2023 18:17

Jewel1968 · 04/06/2023 17:34

Would find a documentary that focused on the history and who benefits more interesting. I do think societal gender stereotypes is what is behind much of this alongside group think. This doc I guess has shone a light on some of it but the guy holding the torch is part of the problem. And he has no idea.

That trip to the Maasai people - what was that trying to prove? Was that his way of showing us that there are traditional roles that Men and Women have?

I thought the maasai bit was a riposte to the "binary ideas of male and female are a Western colonialist concept we imposed on the rest of the world" narrative

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/06/2023 18:17

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:16

https://www.mediamatters.org/matt-walsh/matt-walshs-sordid-history-radio-host-exposed

I’m not going to apologise for highlighting who and what this man is. Not a single thing I said there misrepresents him.

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So about gender identity?

have you given any thought to why you’re so unable to answer this?

PurpleBugz · 04/06/2023 18:21

namitynamechange · 04/06/2023 18:08

I mean, if anything I am more concerned about the fact that (according to the narrative of the documentary) Matt Walsh suddenly needed an answer to the question of what a woman is that he left his home and embarked an a journey across America (plus a quick trip to Africa). It must have been weeks later that he returned to his home. So how long had his wife been standing there waiting for him to open the jar???

😂😂

And why didn't he just ask his wife in the first place rather than jetting off on his adventure

nothingcomestonothing · 04/06/2023 18:34

I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

Hahahaha no.

Theladyinluna · 04/06/2023 18:35

Hepwo · 04/06/2023 17:59

I know pp was saying the bit about his son at the start and his wife opening the jar was a joke but I really don't think it was

Jar opening is a universal sex difference joke! Unless it's someone who believes in God or something, is that what you are suggesting? Is that the explanation? The majority of the UK believed in God until 5 minutes ago, so is it not joking or joking depending on when they stopped believing?

The left have some weird bigotted views about normal people.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/06/2023 18:37

I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

Sadly, believing that my sex is just a feeling a sexist man can have, despite all the many issues it causes me, is a dealbreaker for me.

Theladyinluna · 04/06/2023 18:39

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 17:48

If Matt Walsh was just a conservative christian American, then it would be perfectly reasonable to spread this film

Oh come the fuck on. More recently a group of very left wing feminists made a similar film from a left wing perspective and they've been hounded, no platformed and both verbally and physically attacked. So let's not pretend you and other TRAs believe there is a 'reasonable' way for women to share information or highlight the many harms of this ideology.

We're all perfectly aware of the views Walsh holds that go against feminist thought the big difference here is that I can openly say what I think of fundamentalist Christian views in pretty much any setting and not be penalised, lose my job or arrested. The same cannot be said about the religion of Gender.

Quite. There is no right way to have these conversations for TRAs, and not right person to hold these views. People with excellent credentials are also damned and attacked - see JK Rowling and the left wing women who have spent their lives fighting on before on the most marginalised.

Its just a load of shite to pretend otherwise.

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:40

nothingcomestonothing · 04/06/2023 18:34

I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

Hahahaha no.

He’s a misogynistic, homophobic, nationalist demagogue with an increasingly powerful platform. I can’t even imagine how warped your view of trans people must be to think they pose more danger.

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:43

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 17:48

If Matt Walsh was just a conservative christian American, then it would be perfectly reasonable to spread this film

Oh come the fuck on. More recently a group of very left wing feminists made a similar film from a left wing perspective and they've been hounded, no platformed and both verbally and physically attacked. So let's not pretend you and other TRAs believe there is a 'reasonable' way for women to share information or highlight the many harms of this ideology.

We're all perfectly aware of the views Walsh holds that go against feminist thought the big difference here is that I can openly say what I think of fundamentalist Christian views in pretty much any setting and not be penalised, lose my job or arrested. The same cannot be said about the religion of Gender.

Which very left wing feminists are you referring to? I’d like to watch that.

PurpleBugz · 04/06/2023 18:44

nothingcomestonothing · 04/06/2023 18:34

I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

Hahahaha no.

On this topic actually...

I just finished reading Kathleen stocks book. Material girls. In it she comments on how non-binary people may actually find common ground in fighting gender stereotypes with GC people. Reading that section did have me wondering if that's partly why there is such opposition to her book if TRA actually read it they could side with the GC

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 18:45

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:40

He’s a misogynistic, homophobic, nationalist demagogue with an increasingly powerful platform. I can’t even imagine how warped your view of trans people must be to think they pose more danger.

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The gender industrial complex is worth billions of dollars globally. Compared to pharmaceutical and medical lobbying plus all the other interests this serves Walsh and The Daily Wire are small fry in comparison.