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AnotherDayAnotherView · 02/06/2023 10:39

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/06/2023 18:48

@TraumatisedGooner

I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh

I think this is the first thing you've said that I wholeheartedly agree with.

I genuinely think most TRAs (not all) are motivated by a desire to make things better by challenging sexist roles attached to physical sex. They've just got a bit sidetracked into thinking the sexist roles are somehow innate in people's minds so the solution is to open them up to either sex rather than just get rid of them (a sidetrack that is having, let's not minimise here, pretty catastrophic results for women's social and political progress and for the poor individuals who are being influenced to physically alter their bodies).

The problem is that until the TRAs will let us talk to them, or indeed let us talk to anyone vaguely left leaning without them jumping in to warn everyone not to listen to us, and actually listen to us openmindedly and hear what we are really saying (which we know they are not doing today because of how utterly wrong they are whenever they try to describe what the GC position is), we are blocked from recognising that middle ground and finding meaningful compromises. Or even better, a new third way combining the best insights of both parties.

So if you truly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh, you need to stand up for GCs and help us get our voices heard. Because until that happens, until there is a space on the left for people who don't think replacing sexism with genderism is progressive, the so-called left are forcing moderate people to chose between condoning the worst excesses of genderism (the betrayal of women, the medicalisation of totally natural gender non-conformism) or joining with the right.

maranella · 04/06/2023 18:52

The two old guys on the street in San Francisco, buck naked but for cock socks were hilarious. You can never be the weirdest person on the street in San Francisco 😂

Theladyinluna · 04/06/2023 18:52

Hepwo · 04/06/2023 17:59

I know pp was saying the bit about his son at the start and his wife opening the jar was a joke but I really don't think it was

Jar opening is a universal sex difference joke! Unless it's someone who believes in God or something, is that what you are suggesting? Is that the explanation? The majority of the UK believed in God until 5 minutes ago, so is it not joking or joking depending on when they stopped believing?

The left have some weird bigotted views about normal people.

My God, I think I have finally worked out what's behind this prejudice infused rant. Took me a while as it was so utterly detached from my reality.

Firstly, I am not left wing. I'm apolitical and have not voted for a left wing party for about 15-20 years.

Secondly, I have a masters degree in religion, have spent considerably many more years studying religion as a personal interest, have great respect for people of faith, spent a lot of time with people of faith and have a great many friends who are people of faith. I have a particular interest in Christianity, Judaism and Islam. If it weren't for the fact I am a continual name changer I could tell you to look up the many times I have defended people of faith on this site.

There is no doubt in my mind, having watched a number of Matt Walsh's videos that he firmly believes that men and women have different aptitudes, personalities and roles based based on their sex. I have no doubt he meant it when he said a boy is happy with a gun but a girl is complicated. I have no doubt that scene at the end with the wife in the kitchen was because he believes men and women have different roles.

It should have been possible for you to disagree with me on that without launching into a personal attack on me of your own prejudiced fantasy.

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 18:52

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:43

Which very left wing feminists are you referring to? I’d like to watch that.

https://adulthumanfemale.info

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/06/2023 18:54

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:43

Which very left wing feminists are you referring to? I’d like to watch that.

If I answer your question will you be able to see me?

Adult Human Female film can be found here:

https://adulthumanfemale.info/

now, about my questions, I now have 2

  1. please describe the gender identity that cis women and trans women share

  2. if you can't do that, can you explain why?

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https://adulthumanfemale.info

maranella · 04/06/2023 18:57

Ageingweightlifter · 02/06/2023 14:47

Adult Human female is on vimeo and free to watch. Features many British feminists and isn't made by a bloke

They're both worth watching IMO. Matt is very right-wing, although to be fair I didn't realise until the last 15 mins, when he starts discussing his own views. Up to that point, I was amazed at how poker-faced he was, just asking questions and listening to the answers without offering any kind of opinion.

Some of the people he interviewed though were seriously scary and the extent to which young and middle-aged American women are captured is terrifying. That paediatrician with the short, purplish hair and supposedly hundreds of child patients Shock

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 18:59

I should also add in addition to the link above there are numerous threads on this board about the film, its showings and the treatment meted out to the women who produced it and arranged the events. Strangely they have been treated far worse by TRAs than Matt Walsh has ever been.

Backstreets · 04/06/2023 19:19

The difference is stark! Adult Human Female screenings have been cancelled because of violent, threatening, screaming males.

But when TRAs go to confront Matt Walsh they do so with a "good sir let me win you over with my reason" attitude, as evidenced in the videos where two trans speakers stood up to question him. Or even in the Dr Phil episode clips shown in the film. When he just goes "no, this is nonsense" they don't rage and abuse, they just get this pathetic :[ expression on their face.

WONDER WHY.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/06/2023 19:22

Excellent point, Backstreets, it's quite telling.

Appalonia · 04/06/2023 19:25

This isn't about left or right, it's about REALITY! I don't agree with pp like Piers Morgan, Kemi Badenock, Miriam Cates, Ron de Santis, Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson etc on lots of things, but on this one, fundamental issue, they are all right. So should I dismiss them all because of that? No I bloody well wont.

Pp I've admired in the past are either to captured or too cowardly to speak, and I've nothing but contempt for them, as it's been left to ordinary ( extraordinary) pp, who have risked a lot to raise the alarm and try and warn pp about what is happening and this huge, destructive, reality denying emergency we are facing right now.

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 19:31

Backstreets · 04/06/2023 19:19

The difference is stark! Adult Human Female screenings have been cancelled because of violent, threatening, screaming males.

But when TRAs go to confront Matt Walsh they do so with a "good sir let me win you over with my reason" attitude, as evidenced in the videos where two trans speakers stood up to question him. Or even in the Dr Phil episode clips shown in the film. When he just goes "no, this is nonsense" they don't rage and abuse, they just get this pathetic :[ expression on their face.

WONDER WHY.

Yeah that's certainly not gone unnoticed by me.

Brokendaughter · 04/06/2023 19:46

161.2 million views so far.

It's still up on Twitter & free to watch.

Matt Walsh has also received multiple credible death threats, had to engage armed security at home to protect his family (as well as himself when out & about) plus had a concerted attack recently get his channel demonetised on YouTube.

He doesn't go after the incomes of TRAs & transpeople, or issue threats of harm towards them.

I'm not saying I'm a massive fan of Matt Walsh, but unlike TRAs I do feel I have some common ground with him.

We can disagree about how a woman should act & what rights she should have e.g. over her reproductive functions, but we would both be referring to the same clearly defined group, so we could actually have the conversation.

That would not be possible with a gender ideologist who denies (whilst appropriating) my very existence.

PurpleBugz · 04/06/2023 19:56

Backstreets · 04/06/2023 19:19

The difference is stark! Adult Human Female screenings have been cancelled because of violent, threatening, screaming males.

But when TRAs go to confront Matt Walsh they do so with a "good sir let me win you over with my reason" attitude, as evidenced in the videos where two trans speakers stood up to question him. Or even in the Dr Phil episode clips shown in the film. When he just goes "no, this is nonsense" they don't rage and abuse, they just get this pathetic :[ expression on their face.

WONDER WHY.

Yup. I was thinking this.

I hate that it's not till men speak up that people listen

Tanith · 04/06/2023 20:03

Backstreets · 04/06/2023 19:19

The difference is stark! Adult Human Female screenings have been cancelled because of violent, threatening, screaming males.

But when TRAs go to confront Matt Walsh they do so with a "good sir let me win you over with my reason" attitude, as evidenced in the videos where two trans speakers stood up to question him. Or even in the Dr Phil episode clips shown in the film. When he just goes "no, this is nonsense" they don't rage and abuse, they just get this pathetic :[ expression on their face.

WONDER WHY.

Neither do they seem at all bothered about being on the same side as other right-wingers:
Jamie Wallis (first trans MP)
Gillian Keegan
Caroline Nokes
Fox News respects employees' pronouns and gender identity
Crispin Blunt
Maria Miller
Penny Mordaunt

TraumatisedGooner do you agree you are aligned with Fox News in the way you have tried to claim that GC feminists are aligned with Matt Walsh?

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/06/2023 20:05

namitynamechange · 04/06/2023 18:17

I thought the maasai bit was a riposte to the "binary ideas of male and female are a Western colonialist concept we imposed on the rest of the world" narrative

That's what I thought, too.

Dentra · 04/06/2023 20:06

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MavisMcMinty · 04/06/2023 20:08

Aplantismanycolours · 04/06/2023 15:46

The following is a blatant copy and paste of my own post from the other thread on this film but thought it's probably more relevant to this thread:

From what I've seen, the documentary in of itself has it's uses at highlighting the madness of gender ideology, especially in bite-size chunks which can easily be shared on twitter but Matt Walsh himself is, in many ways, a contributor to some of the root causes.

The ever brilliant Helen Joyce summaries the issues with Matt Walsh and the film beautifully:

"Matt Walsh is a very conservative Catholic, he's somebody who is anti-abortion and says feminism is the worse thing that's ever happened to Western civilization etc.

And I don't think he understands, in fact, I'm certain he doesn't understand, that makes him part of the whole problem because the problem, and it's visible all through the film, is that both conservatives like Matt Walsh and the gender ideologues that he's mocking, completely fairly, both believe that gender stereotypes and gender roles are inherent to what it is to be a woman.

One side uses them to define what a woman is, Matt Walsh thinks they're inseparable. He understands that a man is a male person and a woman is a female person but he thinks a whole load of things follow from that about who's in charge, who makes the sandwiches, whose voices gets heard and all of this sort of thing.

Well, if you give your average teenage girl the choice between cutting off her breasts, taking testosterone and having a shot at being seen as the half of humanity that's regarded as truly human or accepting she is Matt Walsh's wife in the kitchen making sandwiches and asking him to open the jar which is very near the end of the film - she'll cut her tits off and take testosterone. So he's part of the problem.

There needs to be a genuinely liberatory message to kids which is "Yes, sex is real, yes sex differences are real. Don't let that hold you back."

And this is particularly important for a group which, of course, Matt Walsh doesn't give a shit about, namely gay kids because there is a strong connection between being very gender non-conforming in early youth and growing up to be gay. Every homophobe knows that, if you've got some little boy who wants to wear his sisters tutu and play with her barbie dolls, there's a much stronger chance that boy is going to grow up gay than a boy who isn't doing that. Not set in stone but it's a stronger chance.

Matt Walsh wants that boy buzz cut and out there shooting. The gender ideologues want his dick chopped off and turned into a girl. I want him to grow up to be a happy gay man who marries whoever the fuck he likes.

Full interview:

That was great, thanks for the link!

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 04/06/2023 20:10

Tanith · 04/06/2023 20:03

Neither do they seem at all bothered about being on the same side as other right-wingers:
Jamie Wallis (first trans MP)
Gillian Keegan
Caroline Nokes
Fox News respects employees' pronouns and gender identity
Crispin Blunt
Maria Miller
Penny Mordaunt

TraumatisedGooner do you agree you are aligned with Fox News in the way you have tried to claim that GC feminists are aligned with Matt Walsh?

Don’t forget Nikki Sinclaire - Trans UK MEP!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Sinclaire

Nikki Sinclaire - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Sinclaire

ZiriForEver · 04/06/2023 20:18

Tanith · 04/06/2023 20:03

Neither do they seem at all bothered about being on the same side as other right-wingers:
Jamie Wallis (first trans MP)
Gillian Keegan
Caroline Nokes
Fox News respects employees' pronouns and gender identity
Crispin Blunt
Maria Miller
Penny Mordaunt

TraumatisedGooner do you agree you are aligned with Fox News in the way you have tried to claim that GC feminists are aligned with Matt Walsh?

This whole thread is about people discussing how the video shows some of the problems with trans ideology in a way which will talk to masses, but showing a level of sexism in the same time.

Maybe we can see it the other way round. If an idea is opposed both from "left" and "right", maybe it is just a really terrible idea.

nolongersurprised · 04/06/2023 21:01

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:40

He’s a misogynistic, homophobic, nationalist demagogue with an increasingly powerful platform. I can’t even imagine how warped your view of trans people must be to think they pose more danger.

Dude, children are being sterilised, chemically castrated and their body parts are being amputated in the name of gender ideology.

Matt Walsh has made an effective documentary exposing gender ideology and for that I am pleased.

nothingcomestonothing · 04/06/2023 21:09

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:40

He’s a misogynistic, homophobic, nationalist demagogue with an increasingly powerful platform. I can’t even imagine how warped your view of trans people must be to think they pose more danger.

From what I've seen, misogynistic and homophobic isn't even the worst way you could describe a lot of TRAs. And you didn't say 'GC and trans people' have more in common, you said GCs and TRAs. I really don't agree I have much in common with a lot of TRAs, at all.

NotBadConsidering · 04/06/2023 21:31

Another (tirelessly repeated 🙄) question I’ve asked many times is this: why does no one ever lecture the right wing people like Matt Walsh about being careful aligning themselves with left wing feminists, lest he be swayed from his current way of thinking and amplify left wing feminist ideology?🤔

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 04/06/2023 21:32

Goddess knows I’m grateful to actual TERFs and Separatist Lesbians for sounding the alarm for DECADES before anyone else took up the baton but we need all hands on deck to stop a generation of vulnerable teens from having their genitals amputated.

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