Another stonking column from Hadley Freeman

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‘Liberal’ thought police echo Salem witch trials

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/21eff8d0-fc8e-11ed-aa31-73394e195d29?shareToken=60d60e218a05fd3d5eac761e0767a2e5

Good metaphors form around a kernel of genuine equivalence.
Hadley Freeman's use of the term is as valid as Donald Trump's.

Oppression is not a universal constant. Women experience oppression in today's society. Hadley Freeman writing for The Sunday Times isn't an example of it.

She's such a good writer. That's a beautifully written piece and right on the money.

I've read people pretending to think that Hadley is claiming that her oppression took the form of "writing for the Sunday Times" .

You do need to wonder if honesty is a foreign concept to some.

Back to the main point, you cannot win in any battle with TRAs because they will express your real thoughts for you (witness this thread) and convict you on that basis, whatever you actually say or think.

Sometimes they can't even attempt to do that. I've asked many a person to tell me what they assume I think, so I can agree or correct where they are wrong, and they always go silent.

You aren’t an oppressed minority. You’re not going to be seen as one no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you use the media to portray yourselves as one.

"All accusations are admissions"....

Bloody hell @TraumatisedGooner.

You’ve managed to totally miss the point of the article and also seem to completely understand that within patriarchy women very much are an oppressed group - even if how that shows up is not homogenous.

You may win today’s FWR misogynist of the day award at this rate. It’s like a cross between the reception class ‘star of the day’ award and a cone of shame.

Being very charitable, I think comprehension skills are often much weaker than you’d hope among English speakers. So perhaps they simply aren’t able to read the article and understand the point rather than actually being dishonest.

On a tangent i just put cone of shame and reward into the gif thing.

This was what it gave me!

I explicitly stated that women are an oppressed group.
Gender critical people, on the other hand, are not.

of course not. All that unpleasantness surrounding Prof. Stock was just an unfortunate misunderstanding.

I tried getting AI to produce me some cone of shame award for misogyny images.

It’s mostly reinforced my feeling that AI is quite a long way from taking over the world.

Gender critical people, on the other hand, are not

If they're also women, why not?

Pity. I think Declan Kiberd is a brilliant social and cultural commentator. I only know Damien as host of a current affairs show on Rté. He can't seem to follow an argument. Cuts ppl off if the discussion gets too interesting. Maybe Roisin is cut from the same cloth?

The Irish Independent has been OK on the trans issue in general. Even the Irish Times has printed some GC articles - despite being 20% owned by the Guardian. Perhaps all is not lost , though I think we're a few years behind the UK and are hamstrung by having passed Self ID.

Here are some other attempts with AI.

I'd think that's a fairly obvious case of intersectionality. You can be oppressed in some respects, not in others, and oppressor in others.

I think the point is that our friendly TRA is insisting that women who focus on women’s rights (including just the right to hold inconvenient opinions) are some other category that TRAs can dismiss as ‘not oppressed’.

Can you see yourselves?

You're part of an echo chamber, which you're no doubt all aware of. Your response to someone expressing a contrary point of view is to: dogpile, misrepresent, bully, and level personal attacks against them.

Though I do appreciate the attempts to design me a new hat.

More lovely images.

You can be oppressed in some respects, not in others, and oppressor in others

So oppression is some sort of pick and mix?

Back to the main point, you cannot win in any battle with TRAs because they will express your real thoughts for you (witness this thread) and convict you on that basis, whatever you actually say or think

Didn't someone do that with JKR when told she wasn't transphobic and here's her writing proving it? the TRA apparently went through it to explain that JKR has SAID one thing but what she actually MEANT was transphobic.

When I look at politics at the moment, and I look at those attacking women's rights, I see people that are simultaneously attacking LGBT rights. The US republican party is attacking all three simultaneously, to some extent using fear of trans people to turn the clock back when it comes to the rights of other oppressed groups. And then I see our minister for women and equalities palling around with Ron DeSantis.

I do not believe that women's rights and trans rights are as contradictory as many of you do.

that means you’ll find it super easy to explain the gender identity that trans women and cis women share, which is one of the central tenets of your beliefs

Have you STILL not had a response to this yet Bernard? Shocking.

Contrapoints said as much on the JKR Witch Trials podcast iirc

It's a core tenet of intersectionality. It's pretty obvious that you can both be part of an oppressed class and an oppressor class, e.g. a white woman married to a plantation owner.