New British Cycling trans policy

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The new British Cycling policy goes public at 11am tomorrow. Anyone dare to speculate on the outcome? Will it be a win for women?

Fantastic news. Even covered reasonably well on Radio 4's World at One.
Emily Bridges going for the "violent act" and "genocide" hyperbole , but only to be expected.

They mean women who have taken testosterone won’t be able to compete in the female category because they would be doping. Women who think they are men but haven’t taken testosterone can compete in the female category. At least that’s my understanding of it. I’m not sure if women who have taken testosterone will be able to compete in the open category. Testosterone is a performance enhancing drug after all…

It’s good for competitive cycling, but not for non competitive where you can still race against men.

These are people with XX chromosomes and a vagina who identify as men. As long as their transition is limited to calling themselves Nigel, having short hair and wearing “manly” lycra then they can still compete in the female category if they want. (They may choose ti compete in the Open also.) Once they have started taking male hormones then they are only allowed in the open category.

A biological woman who has a gender identity belief can identify as a woman, a man or various other gender identities (including non-binary).

Where that gender identity is as a man, the term "trans man" is used.

Some trans men use social transition only (e.g. name and pronoun change), some also medically transition (e.g. hormones and surgery).

Any trans men who have used hormones will be ineligible to compete in women's races as synthetic testosterone is banned.

Presumably the same ban would apply to them entering men's or open races, as it would count as doping in those categories too (although I'm less sure on that - perhaps there's an upper limit?). Anyway, it's a moot point because a trans man wouldn't be able to compete on a level playing field with biological men owing to their different pelvic structure (the force of pushing down on the pedals would be way less, owing to the angle of the thigh bone), smaller lung capacity and other physiological differences. Although it would give some advantage, synthetic testosterone would still make them mediocre compared to biological men.

every time a TW is in the news they convince me more its a mental disorder. I never thought that until the last few years but the evidence continues to be published

It's a woman who says 'I think I'm a man' or 'I want to be a man' or some such. Basically a woman like every other woman but one of those few who have a gender identity and feel like it's very important to announce it.

thank you. I only see press about transwomen. Understandably so. so have forgotten the other side.

I never normally click on a Pink News link but was very happy to do so here.

Yeah, nobody really gives a toss about transmen. Can't think why.

A message for cyclemum if you are still reading MN, even though you don’t post anymore.

We told you in post after post that the science was clear. You refused to listen and just called us hateful, and you kept telling your adult child that it was absolutely fine to enter the female cycling events. You encouraged this behaviour. I think you should own the position you encouraged them to take.

Great news - excellent press coverage - including of the usual toddler tantrums.

You are on fire today @SinnerBoy

Great news, now we just need Swimming to follow suit. I remember reading about a trans athlete called Leah who got erections in the female changing room.

at 1:52, it's not getting any better for the MRAs!

1599 happy now. Not sure any more people are upset at the story.

On the rare occasion I go on pink news, there are never any comments, do they have no one who pays for their membership

it's quite a common 'line of attack' for TRA's to mock the straw man accusation that TW's have gone through all the trauma of transitioning (that nail varnish doesn't just apply itself, you know) just so they could compete in women's sport. I daresay they're right that such opportunism is very rare. but that long interview that EB did made me wonder whether she mightn't indeed be an example of this, her very clear, consistent line seemed to be that she was almost an athlete first, student/civilian second, that was it, athlete athlete athlete. with a singular individual such as this then, you know what, the possibility of transitioning for competitive advantage doesn't seem at all outlandish, if the choice is between being a club level male cyclist and olympic level female cyclist.

Reading Emily's statement about the increase in hate crime their circle is experiencing, I wondered whether he's rebranded it as 'hate crime' when hateful behaviour is called out.

The rise in hate crimes would make sense if it's about being told you're behaving badly!

That's a very good point.

When misgendering is considered a hate crime then twitter removing the ban hammer for misgendering will mean that the stats for hate crime will be through the stratosphere compared to last year.

I have zero interest in sport but I am interested in fair play and I let out a cheer when I heard this on the World at One on Radio 4.just now The interviewee from the fairness in sport action group came across as reasoned and the other one (the trans woman cyclist) sounded totally unhinged. I will also be emailing the WatO about this 'assigned' thing. Noted, surely?

Emily's statement is wonderful and I hope many, many people read it.

But, but, but everyone apart from six women on Mumsnet agree with absolutely everything in the Trans Agenda, those six women on Mumsnet are on the wrong side of history....

Ain't it funny how whenever the general public are polled the results reflect the reality rather than the delusion?

If boys who think they're girls are still to be allowed to train with and compete against actual girls it's going to be a heckofa shock when they suddenly have to start competing against other boys and men.

To be fair, it is a pretty extreme position that transwomen ought to be able to compete in women's sport, not one held by all trans people or allies. It does