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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New British Cycling trans policy

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PoshCoffee · 25/05/2023 19:03

The new British Cycling policy goes public at 11am tomorrow. Anyone dare to speculate on the outcome? Will it be a win for women?

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ArabeIIaScott · 26/05/2023 14:01

Emily can compete in a whole new exciting 'open' category, which will be full of the Right Side of History types, IDK why Emily isn't really genuinely happy with this news. They've pretty much created a new category for Emily.

brunettemic · 26/05/2023 14:02

pollykitty · 26/05/2023 11:49

She doesn't want to cycle against men, because she cannot win against men. Her statement does not address the core reason for the decision, that transwomen have a biological advantage. Saying 'it's not true' and accusing the organization and everyone on the planet who agrees with the decision of being sexist, transphobic, homophobic (and more words like this) doesn't garner support for her situation.

Exactly this. By not changing the rules it would effectively allow a male cyclist who is very good, but not elite, to switch genders and then win. That devalues the sport massively IMO. I mean, if Jason Kenny suddenly started racing against his wife what value does that add?

Alexandra2001 · 26/05/2023 14:02

Tinkerbyebye · 26/05/2023 13:45

It’s good for competitive cycling, but not for non competitive where you can still race against men.

I thought the BC policy applies to all cycle races? from youth to elite level.... as if you are racing, you are competitive.

My DD did road and track as a youth, junior and a senior in France, she'd have been beyond pissed off if all those hours of training, travel and crashes meant a male could pitch up and take a placing from her.

Aside BC have huge issues at the moment.

MrGHardy · 26/05/2023 14:03

BBC quotes Emily Bridges: "violent act", "failed organisation", and "controlling" the conversation on transgender inclusion.

How can one be so out of touch. Where is the violence? If any, it is forcing all females to compete against males. Failed because they did something you don't like? And inclusion? You mean explicitly stating the open category is just that - open, available for everyone including Emily. That is very inclusive.

thelionthewitchtheaudacityofTHISbitch · 26/05/2023 14:04

Ostryga · 26/05/2023 11:11

Emily Bridges having a proper tantrum. It’s a “violent act” apparently 🙄

I was astonished at their toddler tantrum. Just appalling. Hope their sponsors will back away.

ArabeIIaScott · 26/05/2023 14:05

It's also really good that people see what is actually meant by 'genocide' claims.

Emily, a born male, not being allowed to compete with women, having a whole other category created for Emily to race in, is 'genocide'.

adrem · 26/05/2023 14:05

Pink news still haven’t thought to take down the voting.
Over 1000 are happy in less than half an hour !

New British Cycling trans policy
SidewaysOtter · 26/05/2023 14:13

IcakethereforeIam · 26/05/2023 13:38

So unbalanced, no wonder they kept falling off their bike.

Grin Grin Grin

Chersfrozenface · 26/05/2023 14:13

adrem · 26/05/2023 14:05

Pink news still haven’t thought to take down the voting.
Over 1000 are happy in less than half an hour !

Perhaps they're waiting for the US to wake up in the hope the poll goes the way they want.

SidewaysOtter · 26/05/2023 14:15

I see Ma Bridges has now protected her tweets. Presumably this hasn’t gone how she’d hoped.

Helleofabore · 26/05/2023 14:17

Helleofabore · 26/05/2023 13:51

A message for cyclemum if you are still reading MN, even though you don’t post anymore.

We told you in post after post that the science was clear. You refused to listen and just called us hateful, and you kept telling your adult child that it was absolutely fine to enter the female cycling events. You encouraged this behaviour. I think you should own the position you encouraged them to take.

Sorry, that was for cyclingmum50.

Briefly of MN.

TheBiologyStupid · 26/05/2023 14:17

loislovesstewie · 26/05/2023 12:14

Emily is also talking about 'genocide' on his Instagram post. I find that deeply insulting in view of the actual genocides that have taken place. I mean, not being able to compete against women is hardly a death sentence is it?

Indeed. Even the transman they interviewed on The World at One wouldn't take the genocide line when confronted with the fact that some people find it offensive, just fell back on "that's Emily's view" or some such.

Fukuraptor · 26/05/2023 14:18

Posted too soo 🤦‍♀️

TW competing with females doesn't make sense to anyone who actually cares about sportsmanship/fairness.

WRT EB, I understand that it's a disappointment. I know I harp on about it on these threads but there was a brilliant documentary called the Unfair Games which was about reclassifications within the Paralympics. It made it clear how difficult classification changes are for everyone involved. It's not about the trans issue, but it is illuminating and the lessons from it apply. The pressure to exploit loopholes to win medals to keep funding, the athletes losing out , and even the athletes advantaged by classification changes were messed up by it. I'd really recommend it for anyone interested in fairness in sport.

The rules should never have allowed EB to compete with females in the first place. Fixing it now and sticking with it at least gives everyone the clarity they need to make decisions about their sporting careers.

RoyalCorgi · 26/05/2023 14:19

I was already thrilled to bits about this news, but Emily Bridges' response is the icing on the cake. The world can see Emily for what Emily is: an overgrown toddler having a massive temper tantrum.

Nearamir · 26/05/2023 14:22

Emily’s cross because he’s not going to be able to win anything anymore.
Oh well.

IcakethereforeIam · 26/05/2023 14:23

I'm just surprised EB didn't mention it ruining Pride month, everything else was thrown in that statement.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 26/05/2023 14:25

I am so so pleased to see this news! There's nothing stopping them competing, just with the rest of their biological sex competitors. Also the rant is brilliant, what a sad little loser.

PronounssheRa · 26/05/2023 14:26

pickledandpuzzled · 26/05/2023 13:55

Reading Emily's statement about the increase in hate crime their circle is experiencing, I wondered whether he's rebranded it as 'hate crime' when hateful behaviour is called out.

The rise in hate crimes would make sense if it's about being told you're behaving badly!

Emily thinks cycling with men is genocide so I take any claims around hate crimes with a generous pinch of salt.

herecomesthsun · 26/05/2023 14:26

TrashyPanda · 26/05/2023 13:41

Please keep on voting - now over 1200

Over 2000 votes now - link at end https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/05/26/british-cycling-trans-ban-emily-bridges/

FannyCann · 26/05/2023 14:27

Enjoyed voting on Pink News even though I wouldn't usually give them the clicks.

Not sure if the DM version of the story has been posted.

I've noticed recently that DM readers seem very well informed on this topic these days. Over and above the usual "World's gone mad" type comments.
One might even think many of the comments were from Mumsnet.

Was it Keir who said something along the lines of "hardly anyone is interested/talking about this"? He really ought to take a look at the DM to get a feel for what the wider public think.

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TheBiologyStupid · 26/05/2023 14:28

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Fukuraptor · 26/05/2023 14:28

Paralympic documentary, the Unfair Games that I mentioned above.
https://www.bbcselect.com/watch/paralympics-the-unfair-games/

It's not about the trans stuff, but you can clearly see the parallels.

Watch Paralympics: The Unfair Games? on BBC Select

Is the Paralympic sports system unfair to certain athletes with disabilities?

https://www.bbcselect.com/watch/paralympics-the-unfair-games

BloodyHellKen · 26/05/2023 14:30

I came on here to see if there was a thread about this and just to say that I completely agree with BC and now Emily should put all their effort onto making sure an open category is formed, but I see that this is exactly what British Cycling are doing. So what is the problem Emily?

Emily, you still get to compete at a professional level but fairly against other trans people and people will have more respect for you for doing that.

Not only is it a good day for women's sport, but It's a win win situation for trans cyclists as far as I can see too.

lechiffre55 · 26/05/2023 14:35

Surely if transwomen don't have an advantage over women then by the same logic men dont have an advantage over transwomen?
I look forwards to seeing all the traswomen dominate the open category that includes males who identify as men. This will prove without any doubt that it's not about low performance men just trying to find a space where they can dominate because they are shit against other men.

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