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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

If I woke up tomorrow and was a man...

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Kinsters · 23/05/2023 16:34

Just musing on sex and gender and trying to decide how I would really feel if I woke up tomorrow and I was a man.

Clothes, hobbies, make-up wouldn't change really. I don't really care much what people think of my appearance but I think there would be advantages to being perceived as a man, especially at work.

I wouldn't like being bigger in size. I like being small because I can fit more easily in places (writing that down it sounds silly). I'm sure there are advantages to being bigger/male proportioned that I've never known about or considered. It'd be great to be stronger too. Sex wise, if my DH was at the same time turned into a woman I think we could make it work. It would be an adjustment though.

I don't think waking up as a man would affect any of my day to day interactions - I could still do all the things I do with my kids. Maybe some of my friendships would be different but I have both male and female friends so maybe not.

I guess I just feel that fundamentally I wouldn't be that different. Anyone else pondered this and reached the same or different conclusion? Don't get me wrong, I like being a woman (although now I've been thinking about this a while - do I like being a woman? Really?). I guess I accept being a woman would be a better way of putting it. It is interesting to think how different life would be if I was a man.

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Kinsters · 25/05/2023 09:30

MovinGroovinBarbie · 25/05/2023 00:07

But you'd be much more likely to be a sole/main breadwinner with the mental load of financially supporting your family. Not saying that's harder than being a SAHM but it's hardly 'zero responsibilities'. You'll be judged much more harshly than a female if you're not financially successful, not least by women.

I also think a lot of women wouldn't be able to deal with male interaction very well. For instance, men will happily call their mate 'a fat bastard' but how many overweight women would be able to shrug off being called 'a fat bitch' by a friend?

I remember the outrage on here when a larger women was fuming about having to be be measured separately for workwear by her employer. People who get offended by this type off thing will not fare well with male interaction and 'who ate all the pies' jokes etc.

Do you think men's ability to joke about these things more easily could be because less importance is placed on a man's physical appearance than a woman's?

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Abhannmor · 25/05/2023 09:45

You'd have to get used your new voice of course !

liwoxac · 25/05/2023 10:07

But ...

(If you're a woman...) Whoever it is that wakes up tomorrow, if it's a man, it won't be you, will it?

Being a woman is not just an accidental feature of a person, something like a set of clothes you can put on and take off: it's an essential aspect of who you are, of what it is that makes you, you.

So all this about "If I woke up as a man" really is not just twaddle in the sense that it's a physical or scientific impossibility; it actually makes no sense at all.

I suppose I'm saying something like this: "If I woke up and I was a man, then ...", is not like "If water wasn't wet, then ...", but rather along the lines of "If green furious ideas were bthyuhgty and completely unkjilpoiuy, then ...". -- Just completely nonsensical.

Or, perhaps more germanely here, I am pointing out that for a mammal (like me) changing sex is not a scientific impossibility ... it actually doesn't make any sense at all, from the start as it were. (Some might describe it as metaphysically impossible, although that's perhaps a different kettle of fish.)

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 25/05/2023 10:13

I would paint the hall ceiling.

Then I would go and take all the really heavy junk out of the garage down to the tip. Except that I wouldn’t, of course - because I’d be a man.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 25/05/2023 11:34

But you'd be much more likely to be a sole/main breadwinner with the mental load of financially supporting your family. Not saying that's harder than being a SAHM but it's hardly 'zero responsibilities'. You'll be judged much more harshly than a female if you're not financially successful, not least by women.

Surely I'm not the only woman here who is the main breadwinner? For example, most single mothers are ... And I'm not sure where the SAHM bit came from either - apart from crawling out of the 1950s.

Hubblebubble · 25/05/2023 11:54

I'd really enjoy being able to pee standing up and do pull ups without needing a big rubber resistance band to ping me up.

Hubblebubble · 25/05/2023 11:55

@YetAnotherSpartacus I already have that! And that's okay, because A I'm an educated professional in a job I enjoy B I've worked since childhood and im used to it C my child is my dependent, ofcourse it's up to me to financially support him

SmashedApricot · 25/05/2023 12:00

MessyBunny · 23/05/2023 16:42

I’d love to experience sex as a man.

And me . So I could understand why it's such a big deal for them .

SmashedApricot · 25/05/2023 12:02

When I get a cold instead of battling through I would just go to bed

ScrollingLeaves · 25/05/2023 14:37

And I'm not sure where the SAHM bit came from either - apart from crawling out of the 1950s.

Why say crawling? Isn’t it good to have the choice of being a SAHM?

Hubblebubble · 25/05/2023 15:11

@ScrollingLeaves because that's the era where it wasn't a choice

SerendipityJane · 25/05/2023 15:15

Seems a few people here are afraid of Virginia Woolf ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando:_A_Biography

Orlando: A Biography - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando:_A_Biography

PurpleBugz · 25/05/2023 20:51

"I think the grass is always greener. We always hear how men have had it easy for thousands of years but I'm not sure I'd have wanted to be the one engaging in hand to hand combat with invading tribes person or fighting off bears/wolves etc."

There is actually a fair bit of evidence women did these things too. I've read about skeletons identified as male because they were clearly warriors turning out to be female.

And we cant forget boudica!

Personally if I were faced with an invading tribe or a dangerous animal I don't think I'd cower and wait for the men folk to come fulfil their role and save me. I'd protect myself and my family

PurpleBugz · 25/05/2023 20:53

SmashedApricot · 25/05/2023 12:02

When I get a cold instead of battling through I would just go to bed

Oh yes definitely! Or a headache. Or funny tummy. And of course I would need food and warm drinks brought to me regularly and lots of concern shown or I would get in a strop

JanesLittleGirl · 25/05/2023 22:18

I can see the obvious advantages around strength and safety but I would want a guarantee that I wouldn't be stuck with my DH's eyes that can only see about 12 colours.

CharlottenBurger · 25/05/2023 22:50

I wouldn't like to become someone who likes football, or any sport come to that, or drives a white van, or wears a baseball cap, has tattoos, etc. If I could be reborn as a willowy arty or theatrical type, maybe with v. elegant spectacles, that would be making the best of a bad job, I suppose.

Kinsters · 26/05/2023 02:32

liwoxac · 25/05/2023 10:07

But ...

(If you're a woman...) Whoever it is that wakes up tomorrow, if it's a man, it won't be you, will it?

Being a woman is not just an accidental feature of a person, something like a set of clothes you can put on and take off: it's an essential aspect of who you are, of what it is that makes you, you.

So all this about "If I woke up as a man" really is not just twaddle in the sense that it's a physical or scientific impossibility; it actually makes no sense at all.

I suppose I'm saying something like this: "If I woke up and I was a man, then ...", is not like "If water wasn't wet, then ...", but rather along the lines of "If green furious ideas were bthyuhgty and completely unkjilpoiuy, then ...". -- Just completely nonsensical.

Or, perhaps more germanely here, I am pointing out that for a mammal (like me) changing sex is not a scientific impossibility ... it actually doesn't make any sense at all, from the start as it were. (Some might describe it as metaphysically impossible, although that's perhaps a different kettle of fish.)

That's just your opinion. Personally I think that being a woman is not such an essential part of who I am. Of course being a woman has shaped who I am but I think that's more down to the fact that the world views me as a woman and treats me as such. I've no doubt being a man would be similarly shaping but it wouldn't be an overnight transformation.

As to the scientific impossibility of an overnight sex change - of course that couldn't happen! It's just an idle musing.

I'm interested in what you think would happen to a white person who woke up black or vice versa? Would they be a totally different person in themselves or would it be more just that the world views them as a different person (which will naturally shape their experience).

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AnyaMarx · 26/05/2023 02:40

I'd do the helicopter with my Willy .

That is all . 🤣

MavisMcMinty · 26/05/2023 03:48

It’d be nice being able to piss in the sink. And to find farts hilarious (I’m assuming that’s testosterone-related). And to see if a male orgasm is comparable to a female orgasm.

Just one day would be enough, I like being a woman.

garlictwist · 26/05/2023 05:52

If I could choose I would have preferred to be a man. I think biologically it must be so much easier to be stronger and taller and not worry about boobs, periods and menopause.

Backstreets · 26/05/2023 07:09

I’d go to the gym and see how much I could bench

Lightsgoingout · 26/05/2023 07:19

I’m quite tall (5-10) so I doubt I will feel too much bigger in a man’s body. I’ve always wanted to be a small petite woman so I would be interested in experiencing bring 5-3 for the day.

I work part time, the only negative I can see is being in the playground / kids classes / out in public being a man and being the main care giver, they get treated differently.

There’s loads of positives though, I would love to experience sex as a man. I have thought about this before. Also just to experience pain in someone else body, my DH seems to have a lower pain threshold so that would be cool.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 26/05/2023 08:20

Kinsters · 23/05/2023 16:34

Just musing on sex and gender and trying to decide how I would really feel if I woke up tomorrow and I was a man.

Clothes, hobbies, make-up wouldn't change really. I don't really care much what people think of my appearance but I think there would be advantages to being perceived as a man, especially at work.

I wouldn't like being bigger in size. I like being small because I can fit more easily in places (writing that down it sounds silly). I'm sure there are advantages to being bigger/male proportioned that I've never known about or considered. It'd be great to be stronger too. Sex wise, if my DH was at the same time turned into a woman I think we could make it work. It would be an adjustment though.

I don't think waking up as a man would affect any of my day to day interactions - I could still do all the things I do with my kids. Maybe some of my friendships would be different but I have both male and female friends so maybe not.

I guess I just feel that fundamentally I wouldn't be that different. Anyone else pondered this and reached the same or different conclusion? Don't get me wrong, I like being a woman (although now I've been thinking about this a while - do I like being a woman? Really?). I guess I accept being a woman would be a better way of putting it. It is interesting to think how different life would be if I was a man.

A similar thread a while ago cant remember the name soz but it said if you woke up as a man tomorrow what would you do.
A surprising number said first have a wank.
Then we went on to walking alone at night, or just being out at night. Being paid more, pockets, showering in 2 minutes, not having to remove body hair. The usual kind of stuff that men are exempt from.

It was illuminating that so very many of us want to wank though.

Grammarnut · 26/05/2023 08:47

Kinsters · 23/05/2023 16:38

I actually think it's quite important to home in on the sex aspect. That's the one thing I would struggle with as the idea of being a man and having sex with a man does not appeal to me. Is that homophobic? It feels like it might be.

But why would you have sex with a man if you became a man? Sexual orientation is not the same as sex so it might remain the same or change along with your sex. And it is not homophobic (or heterophobic) to have sexual preferences.

CharlottenBurger · 26/05/2023 08:51

AnyaMarx · 26/05/2023 02:40

I'd do the helicopter with my Willy .

That is all . 🤣

My hubby tried that, and gave himself a black eye.

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