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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
puffyisgood · 13/05/2023 09:12
  • they cocked
elgreco · 13/05/2023 09:15

That man and in fact the whole team cheated.
I am beginning to wonder if we women deserve to be erased. We fuck each over so easily.

mummywithtwokidsplusdog · 13/05/2023 09:18

So infuriating that yet another biological female missed out on an opportunity so that a biological man could take part instead. I really hope the sport of rowing (and all sports) no longer enables this madness. People wonder why girls drop out of sport as teenagers/young women.. there are lots of reasons and being pushed to the side in favour of biological males is one- how disheartening.

Redebs · 13/05/2023 09:19

Can we stop all this 'no physical difference if they take hormones' crap?
The physical advantage takes place long before puberty. Why do we have different growth charts for boys and girls from birth?

Badgeringabout · 13/05/2023 09:20

KimWexlersPonyTail · 12/05/2023 19:56

Probably not necessary as quite obviously a man

😂

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/05/2023 09:20

MerlinsLostMarbles · 12/05/2023 22:02

Also to point out we're discussing a transwoman talking part in an event that took place 8 years ago.

And for what it's worth, the team the transwoman was on didn't actually win.

Clutching at straws LostMarbles.
The woman cheated out of her place lost a half blue and lifetime membership of a prestigious club. I also believe you're misgendering? misidentifying the male born rower who today identifies as non binary?
Historical deceits are still wrong - even if they happened 8 years ago.

Redebs · 13/05/2023 09:25

puffyisgood · 13/05/2023 09:12

  • they cocked

Indeed 😕

subsxribed · 13/05/2023 16:13

Redebs · 13/05/2023 09:19

Can we stop all this 'no physical difference if they take hormones' crap?
The physical advantage takes place long before puberty. Why do we have different growth charts for boys and girls from birth?

That's what the guy who is the subject of this post said in his blog post.

MissPollysFitDolly · 13/05/2023 17:22

elgreco · 13/05/2023 09:15

That man and in fact the whole team cheated.
I am beginning to wonder if we women deserve to be erased. We fuck each over so easily.

I know, it's too frustrating. There's a thread about a Scottish hockey team that includes a male player. In the accompanying photo the team can be seen celebrating with a trophy, don't the ladies see how wrong it is? Ditto the cycling team that included a winning male.

Women taking part in team sports need to stand up to this a lot more.

Trans hockey player injures teenage girl in Scotland | Mumsnet

Oli London has retweeted a Reduxx article and added: ^The incident occurred at Monarch Hockey Club in Scotland where the male, who was described as b...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4805075-trans-hockey-player-injures-teenage-girl-in-scotland

nilsmousehammer · 13/05/2023 18:34

subsxribed · 13/05/2023 16:13

That's what the guy who is the subject of this post said in his blog post.

Yes.

It's denial to the point of delusion, the difference is baked in from conception, in utero. Pelvis size and configuration, male in every relevant cell. A male cannot ever stop being male.

This is sacrificing females to the point of and including injuring them in search of validation of wishful thinking. It is appalling misogyny.

ScrollingLeaves · 13/05/2023 18:56

MerlinsLostMarbles · Yesterday 22:02
Also to point out we're discussing a transwoman talking part in an event that took place 8 years ago.

And for what it's worth, the team the transwoman was on didn't actually win.

The woman whose place he took missed out on the experience.

Also, even without winning it matters for this reason:

“When you’re in Blondie or one of the top boats, you’re part of an exclusive club. You’re allowed to get your Blondie blazer. It gives you access to this club of Blues and Half-Blues, and that stays with you for life. The woman who missed out in 2015 will never have her place in history. She won’t be part of that club. And I think that’s a shame. I feel for her.”

JobChangeSoonPlease · 13/05/2023 19:42

This is so sad. I wish/hope they can go back and locate the woman who would've qualified in his place and give her the badge/seat she deserves - even if she was unable to participate in that race. Maybe it's time to erase these errors and rewrite history..

TheBiologyStupid · 14/05/2023 22:08

subsxribed · 13/05/2023 05:37

This is the guy - do fuck off you do not belong in women's sport. You were born a man.

Claims of unfair advantages aren’t just shown to be groundless by studies of actual athletes, medical research is also against them. After a short period of hormone replacement therapy (HRT), trans people are completely physiologically similar to their cisgender counterparts. Everything from the haemoglobin content of their blood to their muscle sizes are within normal human variation. Side effects from HRT, such as weight gain, can actually place trans people at a disadvantage to other athletes, though this thought rarely crosses people’s minds.

As for cheating, in the entire 40 year history of sex verification procedures in international sport competitions, no instances of such ‘fraud’ have ever been found.

Citation needed!

TheBiologyStupid · 15/05/2023 01:16

I suspect that you may be basing your comment on Rodrigo Pérez Ortega's paper "World Athletics banned transgender women from competing. Does science support the rule?"

Ortega seems to cherry pick from Harper et. al's paper, which stated: "Conclusion: In transwomen, hormone therapy rapidly reduces Hgb to levels seen in cisgender women. In contrast, hormone therapy decreases strength, LBM [lean body mass] and muscle area, yet values remain above that observed in cisgender women, even after 36 months. These findings suggest that strength may be well preserved in transwomen during the first 3 years of hormone therapy."

There's a critique of Ortega's paper, and of Harper's own research findings, here: https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/05/14/the-journal-science-promoting-athletic-competition-between-trans-women-and-biological-women-abjures-science-and-distorts-data/

That article also links to more recent research than Harper's that Ortega chose to ignore completely.

The journal Science, promoting athletic competition between trans women and biological women, abjures science and distorts data

Under Science’s editor-in-chief Holden Thorp, who regularly writes authoritarian “progressive” pieces in his bully pulpit, the entire journal has become woke. (Fortunately, the sc…

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/05/14/the-journal-science-promoting-athletic-competition-between-trans-women-and-biological-women-abjures-science-and-distorts-data

PorcelinaV · 15/05/2023 05:55

Interesting article, thank you.

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