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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Let women speak London 30.4.23

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TangledUpinBlu · 28/04/2023 23:57

Is anyone here going?
I booked train tickets a while ago and am looking forward to it but starting to get nervous and wonder how safe it will be?
Obviously there will be lots of tra as Posie is back for the first time since NZ.
I'm worried about escalation from the posts I've seen on Facebook/twitter.

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Ohyoudodoyou · 30/04/2023 19:22

@Derekfaker, that's the one. Hope Glinner or someone gets him
outed and if he's in a job where he has to share spaces with women, then I hope his employees become aware of his extracurricular behaviour.

Ohyoudodoyou · 30/04/2023 19:28

And one of the grey shirt's podgy tummy bloke's mate is wearing a Led Zeppelin T-shirt. He's not fit to wipe their shoes!

IwantToRetire · 30/04/2023 23:41

I hope the steward is okay.

I have only just finished watching the video and it all seemed to have gone so well, but then to see and hear about this.

And from the twitter links up thread, how can anyone watching those male thugs with their aggression and hostility not see what the issue is.

So thanks to KJK and stewards, and to all the women who spoke. And those attending if larger numbers.

I think these events show more that any curated platform event just the extent of how the trans culture is oppressing so many aspects of women's lives.

This space lets women have their personal stories be heard.

Datun · 01/05/2023 00:14

I think these events show more that any curated platform event just the extent of how the trans culture is oppressing so many aspects of women's lives.

it really does. The fevered excitement with which those masked men were screaming 'when trans rights are under attack, we stand up and fight back', is exceptionally revealing, not to mention off putting.

They're not even trans.

And as more and more people see these, as a previous poster says, 'societal rejects' getting hate boners for women, they are flocking towards the turning tide.

Redbird87 · 01/05/2023 00:15

Those cops are disgusting, how they handled that woman who was assaulted.I've spoken with Henrietta a few times on twitter, she's a gem. Gets the most awful, vile threats and insults. I once saw a man on twitter, a guy with two profoundly disabled daughters, tell her what a nazi she is for wanting female carers. I told him that surely he's aware of the risk of sexual assault that disabled women face, and he was, but trans woman carers would never! I told him that he was implicitly putting his daughters at risk for woke points, it was like it didn't even occur to him that it was even a physical possibility, even if said carers were still physically intact. That's the kind of shit Henrietta has to deal and argue with on a daily, seeing so many self-righteous parents putting daughters with the same physical handicaps as her (or who are severely developmentally delayed) at risk they're helpless to defend themselves from, and that must fuel her indignation. She's very brave, and if anyone decided to start a gofundme to put Ben-Hur spikes on her chair, I'd be the first in line to donate.

nilsmousehammer · 01/05/2023 08:25

"When trans rights are under attack..."

What else can that mean other than "when female people tell their experience we hit them, because people hearing about reality for women threatens us getting what we want."

It's indefensible. Although anyone at this point looking at normal women talking, and a bunch of masked, whooping kids who look like they've escaped a cheap sci fi con where they all got high? Is going to get the message really.

Wondering how long the met is going to foot the enormous bill for this huge police presence to surround the fairly small but baying mob? Particularly since even with that number of officers on the ground, they still couldn't stop them battering someone.

Brisland · 01/05/2023 08:30

Why was the policeman without hi-vis on filming the TRAs with a camera on a selfie stick thingy?

FOJN · 01/05/2023 08:35

Who is recruiting these young people to attend a protest they don't appear to know anything about? I'm sure the first young person called Posie, Rosie. The young people interviewed all appear to be AFAB. Why are they wearing masks when it's the TRA's who specialise in doxxing and getting people sacked?

Trans Extremists Tell Us What They REALLY Think 😳

Jess goes to Hyde Park at a #LetWomenSpeak Event to ask trans activists on their opinion of Posie Parker / Kellie Jay Keen, and whether its okay to punch a T...

https://youtu.be/McdF7tpuCsw

DerekFaker · 01/05/2023 09:12

Yes, I heard Rosie too. Plus many of them had signs referring to "KLK".

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littlbrowndog · 01/05/2023 09:12

These women all saying violence against women is ok. To the death it seems 🙈

Ohyoudodoyou · 01/05/2023 10:05

Looks like Paul Stanley from KISS is a TERF...
Take that Led Zep!

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nilsmousehammer · 01/05/2023 10:12

Ohyoudodoyou · 01/05/2023 10:05

Looks like Paul Stanley from KISS is a TERF...
Take that Led Zep!

He's put that very well.

ArabeIIaScott · 01/05/2023 10:12

Brisland · 01/05/2023 08:30

Why was the policeman without hi-vis on filming the TRAs with a camera on a selfie stick thingy?

I am wondering if the police have woken up to the threat that some of these 'activists' are posing. Many people have been saying that this is terrorism, for years now.

ArabeIIaScott · 01/05/2023 10:13

FOJN · 01/05/2023 08:35

Who is recruiting these young people to attend a protest they don't appear to know anything about? I'm sure the first young person called Posie, Rosie. The young people interviewed all appear to be AFAB. Why are they wearing masks when it's the TRA's who specialise in doxxing and getting people sacked?

Always great to ask questions and hear from these activists what they think and believe. Very helpful.

Boiledbeetle · 01/05/2023 10:24

Those kids being interviewed have done NO research of their own. They don't know why they are protesting, what they are protesting or who they are protesting about.

These kids are an appalling example of the current state of education in the UK.

They are all as thick as mince.

Helleofabore · 01/05/2023 10:24

When I was holding hands with women earlier this year at Reformers tree behind the police line just in case, what really struck me was the misinformation these protesters are operating under.

Most of what they were yelling at us was complete bollocks that I don’t believe any woman at the event believes. But these people fully believe that is what we believed. I even commented to the copper who was standing in front of me. I took him through the falsehoods and he looked surprised despite trying to remain neutral.

So, no. It doesn’t surprise me to see people turn up not knowing the name of the evil people they are protesting, and it doesn’t surprise me the lies such as violence that has brought these people to come and protest. They will come and yell and abuse and feel very righteous about it. They will tell others and more will come. But they will not do the work and do the research themselves to confirm what it is that they are doing.

I mean, we see it on here regularly enough. Transcripts missing vital sections of context being posted as a ‘look, Posie Parker is horrific’ moment. That never stands up when the full transcript is posted, yet the same posters double down and even post the same on other threads. It is the same pattern of operation. It is very dangerous because it spreads such emotive misinformation that causes these protests to be bigger and more dangerous than they should be.

Datun · 01/05/2023 10:33

Helleofabore · 01/05/2023 10:24

When I was holding hands with women earlier this year at Reformers tree behind the police line just in case, what really struck me was the misinformation these protesters are operating under.

Most of what they were yelling at us was complete bollocks that I don’t believe any woman at the event believes. But these people fully believe that is what we believed. I even commented to the copper who was standing in front of me. I took him through the falsehoods and he looked surprised despite trying to remain neutral.

So, no. It doesn’t surprise me to see people turn up not knowing the name of the evil people they are protesting, and it doesn’t surprise me the lies such as violence that has brought these people to come and protest. They will come and yell and abuse and feel very righteous about it. They will tell others and more will come. But they will not do the work and do the research themselves to confirm what it is that they are doing.

I mean, we see it on here regularly enough. Transcripts missing vital sections of context being posted as a ‘look, Posie Parker is horrific’ moment. That never stands up when the full transcript is posted, yet the same posters double down and even post the same on other threads. It is the same pattern of operation. It is very dangerous because it spreads such emotive misinformation that causes these protests to be bigger and more dangerous than they should be.

Completely agree.

They have no idea who Posie is, what she is saying, who the women are or what they stand for.

Polls show that 18-24 year olds are the most intolerant age group. These two women are looking at disabled women, black women, lesbian women, elderly women, and without knowing the first thing about them, or having any intention of finding out, have no trouble in labelling them as women who need to be punched.

Someone is harnessing the disaffection and intolerance of young women, to remove women's rights and access children. Or more likely to remove women's rights in order to access children.

nilsmousehammer · 01/05/2023 10:34

But this is an entire movement based on selective reality. Sad

I keep saying this, but it's something that took a long time to sink into me.

When you're talking to someone who has signed up to a selective reality that means facts can just be dismissed and excluded because feelings, and anyone not indulging this (more powerful) person is evil and must be punished?

There's not really a lot of point expecting them to make sense on anything much or to have a grip on reality about any other matters. Disinformation and buying into someone else's narrative without questioning them (because mean) is a part of this, and it's just not tenable in real life or a functioning society.

Signalbox · 01/05/2023 10:39

DerekFaker · 30/04/2023 19:21

Here's a longer video of the altercation with the LWS steward. It's still not clear how she ended up there in the first place, but it looks to me like the TRAs were trying ro push through the police line.

https://twitter.com/Urban_Pictures/status/1652706914726301698?t=ylkBVQR5l4Z64BpYDAz0hA&s=19

Here's yet more footage. The MRAs definitely trying to slowly encroach on the SFW space and the stewards attempting to hold the line. Presumably that's how that steward ended up in the middle of the mob...

https://twitter.com/Wayward_sestra/status/1652948886753796101

https://twitter.com/Wayward_sestra/status/1652948886753796101

nilsmousehammer · 01/05/2023 10:44

Datun · 01/05/2023 10:33

Completely agree.

They have no idea who Posie is, what she is saying, who the women are or what they stand for.

Polls show that 18-24 year olds are the most intolerant age group. These two women are looking at disabled women, black women, lesbian women, elderly women, and without knowing the first thing about them, or having any intention of finding out, have no trouble in labelling them as women who need to be punched.

Someone is harnessing the disaffection and intolerance of young women, to remove women's rights and access children. Or more likely to remove women's rights in order to access children.

That awful document, the paedophile manifesto which was about how to use many tactics other political movements have gained to achieve public acceptance and legality, laid this out quite bluntly.

First dismantle social standards by calling people prudes, pearl clutchers, repeating a lot that modern and upto date and young people were fine with it, to utilise that no one wants to be seen as old, fuddy duddy, out of touch.

And yes, breaking down women's boundaries and ability to protect children was also a key part. The main difficulty in access is women.

This is why breaking down parental consent and right to choose the best for their child has been important. This is why things like drag queen story time has been important. This is why talking about sex a lot with children in increasingly inappropriate ways has been a thing. This is why women are on the front line of attack on bodily privacy and autonomy not really being a thing (only silly women fuss about getting their kit off in front of random males, the cool ones are fine with it) with the subtext of repression and exclusion for vulnerable women who just can't do it at all.

And most of all, the work on the tacit right of important people to make use of others in their personal agendas up to and including their sexual experiences whether or not those others consent . Whether this is using the women going to the toilet around you, or undressing around you just by their presence, or doing things to intentionally cause the reactions that are stimulating such as shock or alarm or anger (you're beautiful when you're angry darlin'), or to engage an embarrassed young woman assistant as you loudly buy lingerie, enjoying your power over her and her obvious discomfort. Or whether you just plain make forcible use of someone's body.

It's all shades, all fractional shifting of the line. The same fractional shifting of the line that pulls up pictures of poor little Jazz Jennings, and demands to know if you'd send that poor, beautiful child into the lions den of a man's toilet. Using that child as a lever that means Bryson can yank leggings on and walk into a class and have women made to undress without protest for his agenda. And White can multiply rape and severely injure a woman on a locked mental health ward (and then pop into a women's prison and benefit from a new buffet of victims.)

The dots all join up. They do. It's not pleasant or pretty but it's in plain sight.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/05/2023 10:52

Bloody hell nilsmousehammer. Thank you so much for spelling out what's happening so clearly:

"That awful document, the paedophile manifesto which was about how to use many tactics other political movements have gained to achieve public acceptance and legality, laid this out quite bluntly.

First dismantle social standards by calling people prudes, pearl clutchers, repeating a lot thatmodernandupto dateandyoungpeople were fine with it, to utilise that no one wants to be seen as old, fuddy duddy, out of touch.

And yes, breaking down women's boundaries and ability to protect children was also a key part. The main difficulty in access is women.

This is why breaking down parental consent and right to choose the best for their child has been important. This is why things like drag queen story time has been important. This is why talking about sex a lot with children in increasingly inappropriate ways has been a thing. This is why women are on the front line of attack on bodily privacy and autonomy not really being a thing (only silly women fuss about getting their kit off in front of random males, the cool ones are fine with it) with the subtext of repression and exclusion for vulnerable women who just can't do it at all.

And most of all, the work on the tacit right of important people to make use of others in their personal agendas up to and including their sexual experiences whether or not those others consent. Whether this is using the women going to the toilet around you, or undressing around you just by their presence, or doing things to intentionally cause the reactions that are stimulating such as shock or alarm or anger (you're beautiful when you're angry darlin'), or to engage an embarrassed young woman assistant as you loudly buy lingerie, enjoying your power over her and her obvious discomfort. Or whether you just plain make forcible use of someone's body.

It's all shades, all fractional shifting of the line. The same fractional shifting of the line that pulls up pictures of poor little Jazz Jennings, and demands to know if you'd send that poor, beautiful child into the lions den of a man's toilet. Using that child as a lever that means Bryson can yank leggings on and walk into a class and have women made to undress without protest for his agenda. And White can multiply rape and severely injure a woman on a locked mental health ward (and then pop into a women's prison and benefit from a new buffet of victims.)

The dots all join up. They do. It's not pleasant or pretty but it's in plain sight"

WickedSerious · 01/05/2023 11:48

Boiledbeetle · 01/05/2023 10:24

Those kids being interviewed have done NO research of their own. They don't know why they are protesting, what they are protesting or who they are protesting about.

These kids are an appalling example of the current state of education in the UK.

They are all as thick as mince.

It's sad isn't it?

I know we were all young and daft once but I'd like to think if I was a youngster today I'd look a little further than the wittering of sexual deviants on Reddit.

ApocalipstickNow · 01/05/2023 12:15

Ohyoudodoyou · 01/05/2023 10:05

Looks like Paul Stanley from KISS is a TERF...
Take that Led Zep!

If anyone knows that putting make up on, having long hair and wearing Lycra doesn’t mean you’re a woman it’s Paul Stanley.

Mollyollydolly · 01/05/2023 12:26

There is one positive I take from the last two reformers tree. The Police are now taking the threat to women seriously. Whatever they say in twitter posts they know the threat comes from extreme TRA activists. A lot of us have been saying for a good while many of these people should be on terrorist watch lists/prevent programmes. I'm hoping the penny is starting to drop with the powers that be. Same with universities, they've created a monster which they are going to have to deal with.