Yvette Cooper on LBC

[Flowerly]

Did anyone else hear this? She just clearly said that there are differences between what she called 'biological women' and TW and that just because you change your gender does not mean that you change your sex! I almost fell over in shock.

Is this the start of a full on turnaround from the LP? Will I be able to vote for them again? I so want to!

I do hope so, means I can vote for someone and not just draw a massive cock and balls on my ballot paper! Not that it will make any difference here, its a true blue dyed in the wool Tory enclave.

Same here tbh but I actually do feel hopeful for the first time that maybe, just maybe, the grown ups are taking back control and facing down the blue haired ninnies. We can only hope.

Do those differences mean we get to keep our SS spaces, women’s sports without male bodies etc..?

Labour seem to be talking about “biological women” as if there were any other kind of women. There aren’t. Woman is enough, it doesn’t need a qualifier. They have realised that “cis” won’t fly so they are trying “biological” instead. We are women, we are not a subset, we are it.

I still don’t trust Labour I think they are playing word games and will continue to plough ahead with some form of self ID if they get voted into government.

I very much doubt it if Labour get in.

I agree that saying we are 'biological' is ridiculous but I do think that there is a shift here and progress. For her to say that you cannot change your bio sex is massive for the LP I think. The TRAs will be fuming. Good.

I really like her but I'm not sure she would separate herself from the 99.9% bollocks that Labour is desperately clinging to in the hope the discussion goes away.
I want to hear them say 100% of women don't have a penis. And I want them to say TW can be and should be lawfully excluded from prisons, refuges, women's sport etc and should self exclude from women's changing rooms/bathrooms. I want them to say private businesses and public sector organisations should spend money on rebranding men's loos as Open to all and women's loos as "For Biological/Natal/Whatever fucking word can't be Hijacked WOMEN".

Just out of interest does anyone feel the need to say Biological Men? Its not a term I've heard bandied about.

No signs yet of Rosie Duffield being brought into the fold

I think they are saying what they need to say to get in. They will change their tune once in downing street

Don't they all though?

How is her non binary child?

No could never trust them again. Just look at the way Rosie Duffield has been and continues to be treated.

I didn't hear it but I welcome it as far as it goes, although jeez, it's like watching a supertanker turning round and time is running out for them.

Unless her child is standing for public office I don't think that's relevant.

@MishyJDI - enough with the hyperbole. Men are "in camps " just out of women's spaces. And I specifically said there should be Open to All spaces and Women's spaces. TW can go in the Open spaces.

Men "aren't in camps ". Ha - typo

Unless her child is standing for public office I don't think that's relevant.

I have lost count of the public figures with family members that involve themselves in this ideology. They have made me very suspicious of anyone with a family member now.

Why? Why should men have to share with them? They need their own third spaces - you know for their own protection. They could have showed in there too.

costly I think. But many seem to advocate for that. Labour and Rosie duffield could leapfrog the tories doing that!

Ok, third spaces then. Lobby for them like women had to. I don't care as long as TW are not in women's spaces. TM are welcome because they are also women. As long as I don't have to neutralise important language about us for them.

And as long as the third space isn't the disabled space. I need that because I have MS.

Casual anti semitism - incredibly offensive.
Likening male people not being allowed in female spaces to nazi death camps, really ? Is this really the road you want to go down ? Because it makes you look deeply unpleasant , someone who will use the terrible deaths of millions of people to try and shore up your desire to get males in with females and children.

So seven wees ago, Yvette Cooper refused three times to even talk about this issue and then a week before an election she has an opinion! Well, I'm convinced that's a position she'll hold to...not.

Maybe the prospect of an election, and the dawning realisation that the nation is laughing at them is concentrating their minds.

Makes a difference from:
Red blooded men.
Bloody men!
Men, you just can't trust 'em.