Boys will respect women under Labour ARticle in TImes

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boys-will-learn-respect-for-women-under-labour-dlc6vs3th
Comments are interesting!

Of course, the widespread attitude to women with labour makes it possible to treat the issue so trivially.

It's not what they say, it's what they do. Their grim treatment of women in the party, epitomised by Rosie Duffield and failure to condemn the vile Lloyd Russell Mole for his open intimidation of a woman MP shows that this is just meaningless flannel.

The best form of leadership is by example

What example is the Labour party setting when it includes the likes of Nandt who are fine with rapists going to women's prisons.

This

And not only have Labour never had a woman leader but also no woman has ever finished higher than a man in leadership election.

I thought the same thing. There was recent news coverage about female teachers being subjected to similar horrific behaviour, including assaults. It’s not OK.

I wonder if Kier has ever spent any time pondering why Labour has never elected a female leader, when ALL* the other parties have (even UKIP).

*The ones bigger than a dozen members and a dog that have existed more than a couple of years.

Hilarious. Good one, Labour HQ.

Too little, too late. Labour is now wanting to row back on TWAW as they've seen the push back following the light being shone on the reality of this ideology - male rapists in women's prisons being the "hold on a minute" moment for many previously "be kind" people. They're not doing it because they've changed their view, they're doing it to try to coax back women (and some men) voters. If Starmer was genuine, he'd meet with Rosie Duffield and the Labour Women's Declaration. He's not though, he genuinely is still TWAW. He's also afraid he'd upset the TRA absolutists and further divide a party still recovering from the vile antisemitism that Corbyn enabled. Labour are currently high in polls simply because they're not the Tories; this issue may start to unravel that support and they now see the damage it can do. As I said, too little to late.

I think what he means is, he’ll educate women on how not to make men cross, like silly Rosie did, and then less men will want to hurt us.

They really have a nerve. When I think of all the women, starting with Rosie Duffield, who have been bullied by Labour or thrown out of the party for believing in biology, it's clear they need to put their own house in order first.

“the way to respect women is to make sure you endorse the idea that pretty people are super important, even if they know little about a subject”

Well, indeed.

Notoriously Keir doesn’t respond to women, including a female Labour MP who is a survivor of male violence and a victim of bullying by Labour MPs. Keir has said many times he doesn’t read his replies on social media. He certainly almost never replies or QTs. And yet on this occasion, within less than an hour….

(PS in no way intended as a snark against Georgia Harrison, who had a horrendous experience and is campaigning about it. But it’s rather revealing of the invisibility of older women to Keir).

I'm now wondering f it's not just political journalist who are unaware what been going on in schools last few years.

I'm in Wales - which has it's own education system and problems- my DS is Y11 in two subjects over half the course he's not even had a permanent supply and in others it's been revolving doors.

I think the last thing school need is more societal problems shoved at them to fix and that's before we get to Labour breathtaking hypocrisy.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4790641-what-is-really-going-on-in-our-schools-well-laura

Good grief, why do they continue to draw attention to their own inadequacy. They won't even allow Karen Ingala Smith to become a member of the party FFS. And the less said about Starmer's silence on the bullying of Rosie Duffield the better. Public condemnation of LRM's behaviour toward MC in the HoC might have helped.

As a poster on another thread keeps saying, "deeds not words".

Every time they make statements about a commitment to protecting women they piss me off even more because their track record is beyond shit.

Agree with all the comments about schools. They're the Labour party FFS they should have a fucking clue. They can't get enough Maths teachers good luck with shoving another social responsibility on them

And who in the Labour party is going to be modelling this? Russell-Moyle is the biggest misogynist I've ever seen and his entirely unpunished display of male aggression and intimidation of Miriam Cates in the House of Commons has had no comment from Starmer so I basically don't believe a single word they say about this.

Misogynist bullies and enablers the lot of them.

Russell- Moyle should no longer be an MP. If he'll do this in the televised House of Commons what the hell will he do behind closed doors? Any woman here want to share a 'gender neutral' bathroom with him? I wouldn't.

Yes, deeds not words.

Until they issue a full apology to Rosie Duffield and kick LRM out of the party (withdraw the whip at least and public condemnation of his misogyny) then I don't believe them.

Plus they could be doing a hell of a lot more to support the striking teachers.

The point about all women short lists is interesting.

It did get more women involved initially. But, it doesn't seem to have panned out.

I can't help but think that as an approach, it actually ties in with their other problems with women in particular, and identity politics specifically. The Tories, who haven't perhaps had as many women MPs, have nevertheless seen women in the party treated very much like the men, with the same expectations. They are MPs and candidates, not female MPs and candidates who you should vote for because they are women.

The tendency to want to create equality with identity groups through manipulating the system, when things don't seem to be working fast enough, or society doesn't seem to be reorganizing in quite the way you'd like, is maybe a problem? I'm thinking of things like affirmative action kinds of approaches as well, or the tendency on the left to regard all disparities as products of discrimination.

Karen Ingala Smith (pictured left) is the CEO of nia, a London-based domestic and sexual violence charity working to end violence against women and girls. She also founded and carries out the Counting Dead Women project – which records all the women in the UK killed through men’s violence. From this came The Femicide Census, which is now established as a leading articulation of men’s fatal violence against women in the UK.

Karen has recently been refused membership of the Labour Party and told she is not wanted within its ranks

The reason given? Because Karen has apparently ‘engaged in conduct online that may reasonably be seen to demonstrate hostility based on gender identity.’

"We call on the Labour Party to provide evidence of this supposed hostility, what gender identity is and how apparent hostility towards it is a factor in determining membership of the Labour Party. Gender identity is a concept which has not been defined and has no basis in UK Law. How can it be used to justify exclusion?"

So the only woman they will listen to and 'protect' are those who agree that men should be allowed in their spaces??

I know 'the state of it' is an overused phrase, but really, the absolute state of it!

No coherence, no logic, no backbone, and absolutely no hope of protecting women.

https://labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/karen-ingala-smith-rejected-by-labour-party/

I'd also say that the idea that re-education is the answer is a strong tendency among progressives, and perhaps fits in somewhat with their constructionist tendencies.

To me, if you want to look at problems with boys or men being disrespectful to women, you are first going to have to have a serious look at what the causes of the disrespect are. And frankly, what specifically you mean by disrespect. Not just the expected platitudes that fit in with progressive political posturing, either.

Have read neither the full thread nor the articles (so sue me 😀)
What will teach boys/men to have respect for girls/women?

a) men modelling this behaviour to them already (so throwing women under the bus by labour? not good)
b) more prosecutions for VAWG
c) longer sentencing for those prosecutions

that is what will help.

Are they having a laugh?

They've got to be kidding right?

They don't respect women why should we respect them.

I cannot wait until KJK has her Party Of Women up and running. She's going to be so very quote worthy every time they pull crap like this.

Bring it on!

After all, KJK will be opposing Starmer in his seat and her whole platform will be women's and children's rights.

Here they're trying to claim (without any credibility or seeming understanding of the problem and a very poor track record - LRM) that they're going to do something to improve respect for women via children in schools. Very much in KJK's area of interest.

A couple of quotes from KJK 'women's and children's rights activist and politician' would have been quite useful in this article to provide some balance I think.

I also have a message for Labour - do you know what else would reduce the amounts of violence against women? Getting men out of women's spaces and properly policing violent mobs trying to prevent women from speaking. That would help.

The reason given? Because Karen has apparently ‘engaged in conduct online that may reasonably be seen to demonstrate hostility based on gender identity.

Basically she hates men. Who knew?

....breaking news - The Pope is a Catholic !

Where does it say she hates men?

They haven't explained why they have excluded her.

Apparently it's on the basis of 'gender identity', but as the Labour women's declaration rightly point out "Gender identity is a concept which has not been defined and has no basis in UK Law. How can it be used to justify exclusion?"

I think your prejudice is showing.

How can Labour respect women when they don't know what a woman is?
How can they respect women when they believe that any man dressing up in a frock and making a declaration is a woman?
What they are doing with this statement is adding insult to injury.
Memo Keir: women (real ones) are not as stupid as you think we are.