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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"You don't care about children!" & "Moral panic"

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SpicyMoth · 24/04/2023 16:15

JKR retweeted something from TheAmazingAtheist being pro gender ideology.
I remember hearing of him before but remembered him being more "Anti-Social Justice Warrior" in terms of views so I was confused & looked into him more to try and make sense of it.

This took me down the rabbit hole of a subreddit called BreadTube, here is rule 2 of the sub;

" 2. Posts should be against the prevailing winds of the internet
BreadTube exists to promote content that goes squarely against mainstream political discourse, which tends to be pro-establishment (liberal or conservative), pro-capitalist, and pro-authoritarian. If a video could get uncontroversial primetime space on any mainstream outlet, it probably does not belong here."

So, me thinking "That seems a reasonable rule, maybe this is a place for actual discourse?" I delve a bit deeper and start looking at what people have posted.
Good grief was I wrong...
One of the top rated posts was a thread linking to this video; e
I'm not super far into the video, but what this woman is saying is just... Coming across as really quite patronising - As if by virtue of not agreeing with her, you're stupid and bigoted.

A lot of other posts seem to be specifically about this topic, and I've noticed a wave online of TRA's using this argument as well;
Basically saying that "Thinking of the children" is the argument being used today w/ gender ideology, and it's the same as the argument that homophobes used to use against gay people/gay rights.
That because people did this in the past and used that excuse for being against homosexuality, that it's happening again with trans people.

Now obviously we know that these two things are not the same at all, who you love has absolutely nothing in common at all with taking irreversible hormones and having surgeries performed on minors (That there is literal proof and evidence of in the form of detransitioner's).

But how do we escape this "Boy who cried wolf" situation that we're in?

Because it very much seems to echo that old children's story... Homophobes didn't like gay people so they lied and said "Oh but think of the children!" when there was never any threat. Then they did it with legalising gay marriage, again still no threat.

Now there's an actual threat to children's safety, and we're told we're lying. That we don't care about children. That we're hateful and phobic.
Meanwhile the number of destransitioner's is growing ever still, and despite this fact, despite the fact that they are living proof of the harm ideology can do, we're still lying and bigoted and we never really cared about kids...

Do they actually not believe us when we tell them our concerns, or are they just refusing to listen?
How do you even combat this?
How can there ever be any meaningful conversation when everything is taken in bad faith?
How can we show that we actually do care about the children in a way that would get through?
How can we show them that homosexuality and trans ideology truly are not the same thing? - Who you love vs. physically altering your body are literal worlds apart from one another, It seems completely mad to me to even compare them...

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lechiffre55 · 17/05/2023 20:42

PorcelinaV · 17/05/2023 19:11

One example would be Rockstar Games removing "transphobic" content.

There is no way that gamers want GTA to go woke!

You can steal cars, murder people, deal drugs, have sex with prostitutes, but you can't joke about the trans?

You really think the average gamer that plays GTA wants this nonsense being pushed on them?

You missed out robbing the prostitute after sex and then murdering her.

I agree with a lot of what you've written above. I fact I mirrored some of what you wrote. Make good new stuff instead of trying to convert existing characters.
There's tons of room for original content and new ideas. e.g Neil Gaiman's Sandman ( I bought the comics when they were originally released and still have them ) which was diverse decades ago and every word is incredibly original and creative.
But there seems to be this pernicious spiteful drive by some to rewrite what already exists and is loved.

SpicyMoth · 17/05/2023 23:39

"The argument you make is quite familiar to me because it echoes arguments made about video games (which is the industry I work in). There's been a lot of backlash to games as they have started to (1) build games that aren't targeted at young straight white men and (2) feature characters and protagonists that aren't young straight white men. The complaint is simple: "keep politics out of video games". My response to people making that complaint is very simple: there's no such thing as apolitical media. What people see as apolitical is simply what fits with their own politics."

This paragraph has told me basically all I need to know - It's borderline Anita Sarkeesian levels, which is just so far removed from any actual reality.
There have been games not targeted toward "young, straight, white men" since the beginning of gaming, you're fully in a ideological bubble if you think that's not the case and the only reason people are complaining is because "hurr durr no male protags", "Hurr durr game not made for me".

As I said in my earlier post;
"Really wish people would stop paraphrasing other's arguments to fit their presumption that anyone who disagrees is a hateful bigot, it got old a looong long time ago."

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