Asked gender and pronouns on antenatal form

[bbypinkluffie]

So I’m 7 weeks today with my first, and yesterday I got given a midwife, and my first antenatal appointment was booked, and was told I had to fill this form out before the appointment, it had an entire section where the questions were “is the gender you were assigned at birth the gender you identify as now?” And “what gender do you identify as?” And “what are your pronouns?” I didn’t want to participate in their questions, as I don’t agree with gender ideology, I don’t want to have to “declare” myself a woman, I am one. I don’t want to “identify” as a woman, I am one. I’m pregnant for heavens sake! But regardless I filled out the entire gender section, saying yes I identify with my assigned gender at birth, I identify as female and my pronouns I chose as she/her. I only did this to avoid being asked during the appointment as it’s my first appointment and my first pregnancy and I don’t want it being ruined by being asked about pronouns. I only pray now I’ve jumped through their hoops I won’t be called a “pregnant person” or “birthing person” or “chest feeder” now. For heavens sake!

Do you identify as anything other than a woman? If you need help to work it out, I suggest you do so in therapy, but all they want to know is if you need any particular provision. If you don't, answer accordingly and move on. No need for drama, upset or talk of anything being ruined!

Because op is being ridiculous.

QuintanaRoo
When maternity services have resolved these major scandals of appalling harm happening to women and babies, then they can spend precious time and resources dealing with luxury practices like pronouns & which sex the sorting hat assigned someone. 🙄

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/final-report-of-the-ockenden-review

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59248345

Trans people are answering the same question!

But the arguement will be that someone being upset over being misgendered carries more weight than someone being upset over being asked a question they feel isn’t necessary (to them).

You'd have to wonder why someone would rock up to the antenatal clinic claiming to be a man? Anyone genuinely experiencing gender dysphoria would hardly do the whole childbirth thing in the first place.

No patience with this at all, whilst doing one of the most fundamental things a woman (and only a woman) can do.

You argued against leaflets being changed to ‘pregnant person etc’ but in your very first sentence on this thread, you used the phrase ‘pregnant people’.

🙄

@MrsOvertonsWindow I’m quite up to speed with Ockenden thanks, and East Kent and Nottingham, Morcombe Bay, MBRRACE reports, etc.

like I said I’ve ever known there be any training on trans stuff, but plenty on issues connected to all of the above.

changing a form does not take more than 5 mins and saves time dealing with complaints.

It is not being shoved down your throat if it is a couple of questions on a form. Maybe it is the hormones, but again, it is very dramatic language for something I really can't understand why you would get over excited about.

all the complaints we’ve had (a lot) about any forms which mention breastfeeding or women have 100% being from biological women who aren’t trans in any format. But seem to be determined to fight the fight on behalf of trans people!

Who knew that women held so much power over the NHS?
If only they’d put that effort into better health care for women who often spend years being dismissed, misdiagnosed and having their very real illnesses put down to fatness and anxiety.
And how amazing of the NHS to take these complaints on board - the complete opposite action to the many women complaining about their poor treatment?
How very predictably misogynistic of them.

What provision do you need when you're pregnant and declaring yourself to be male, exactly? You do know the baby will emerge the same way regardless, right??
You've got a nerve telling op she's being ridiculous.

If I had left the gender part of the form blank, I’d have been asked the same questions in the appointment, it is being shoved down our throats if there is no option to opt out

Sorry @QuintanaRoo. Shouldn't have tagged you in that post - posted the links for those unaware of the disgraceful state of maternity care in too many Trusts.

Simply because I was trying to be clear with regards to the situation the OP was discussing , it’s not a term I use in real life. Though I guess it potentially might slip out occasionally as I do hear it from colleagues a lot. I think everyone is tiptoeing round upsetting people, being called out as discriminatory, etc. I mostly use women, in some circumstances when talking to a group of people I might use service user. I don’t like the term pregnant person.

These convoluted and manipulative "identity" questions have caused mayhem with census data which ONS are now investigating.

I'm sure they will cause the same confusion in maternity services in the same locations.

"Identity" now has two massively different sets of processes and protocols. The main one we are used to is proving you are who you say you are in great detail to avoid fraud etc.

Now we're asked to do what seems like the complete opposite, to agree we have another identity, one that is a fiction some people wish to have us all believe.

It's very strange.

But a pregnant woman claiming to be a man ISN'T being ridiculous?
Ok then

It is not being shoved down your throat if it is a couple of questions on a form. Maybe it is the hormones, but again, it is very dramatic language for something I really can't understand why you would get over excited about.

exactly* *@Snugglemonkey it’s only some questions on a form, so why would a woman with a trans identity be upset if they weren’t there? Why would a woman with a Trans identity be upset at being referred to as female or as a woman? If you’re going to do something only women can do, don’t get upset when someone points out this makes you a woman.

All people need is the right pronouns. There are valid things to be addressed in terms of what gender politics mean for women and there are valid concerns, like changing facilities, but getting all dramatic about a question on a form really undermines the feminist position. Could we focus on things that are actual problems?

It’s so rude and so ableist to say ‘I suggest you get therapy’ in that manner. A lot of people, the vast majority, do not understand or believe in the language where people ‘identify’ as their sex, or not. We simply don’t see it in those terms. It’s not something I choose or feel I am. It’s a biological fact like my hair colour.

It is an actual problem strugglemonkey.

I don’t get it either. It really defies the whole „born in the wrong body“ idea.

Could we focus on things that are actual problems?
The sad thing is you can't even appreciate the delicious irony in that sentence... 😂
And no, pronouns are used in your absence so make not a jot of difference to your antenatal care. You'd think the actual baby would be the focus, not Mum's "identity" being validated.

If ever I get gender on a form I always put a neat cross through it and replace with word sex then respond female. I won't go along with woke ideology. The more people who stand up against it in some everyday settings the better chance of getting rid of it.

Why are you so upset about attempts at inclusivity?

Dunno. Why are you?