Barbie Kardashian to be moved from Woman's prison

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According to the Countess it's been announced that Kardashian will be moved
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1647702177283014657

Yeah but only because of the risk this person poses to staff not the risk to the female prisoners or because this is a biological male nor are they doing anything about the males in there. But I suppose that this is a win for the women in that prison

Hoardasurass - totally agree, right move but for the wrong reason. BK should never have been put in there,

So much for the robust risk assessment.

Just an attempt to get the issue out of the media, and resume the usual blackout of any discussion of self-ID.

It's a start. Now, what about the other males in women's prisons in Ireland?

It's a start for sure & the tide is turning. The legislation needs to be changed pronto so this does not happen again. Biological males in male spaces. No exceptions.

It's chilling reading just how dangerous this man is. And how lacking the authorities have been in dealing with him and the dangers he presents to women prisoners, female staff, and the public.

https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/barbie-kardashian-to-be-moved-from-limerick-prison-over-fears-of-attack-on-staff/a659395218.html

He looks utterly terrifying doesn't he. I don't believe in the death sentence generally, but cases like this question my beliefs tbh. He'll never be a person we can trust in society and will always be an expensive burden.

@StepAwayFromTheBiscuitJar Ireland's posterboy. He's chilling looking.

He is himself a victim of horrific male violence as a child. I’m not trying to excuse an iota of what he has done, but he is profoundly damaged by his own father.

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow he has had a harrowing childhood. It's very sad. However the state has a duty to it's citizens, this man should never have been put in a women's institution last year.

And? What's that got to do with the price of fish?

Statistically it makes you much more likely to offend.

How can the Irish state guarantee public protection when he's released.
It's truely horrifying for women. The gender recognition act has been passed in Ireland so Barbie can freely enter women's toilets & changing rooms. The law is on his side. It is terrifying to think that this will happen upon his release unless the GRA is reversed.

@Thelnebriati So much for the robust risk assessment.

Worryingly, the risk assessment is carried out for the benefit and safety of the prisoner and not for the other inmates / staff in the prison. It's totally mad!!

Of course he should be in a male prison (and never released), but I don’t believe he should be executed, even if Ireland still had capital punishment. What happened to him as a child was appalling. If anyone deserves capital punishment, it is his father.

As far as I'm aware, incarceration in prison is supposed to serve three purposes: punishment, a deterrent, and rehabilitation.

Kardashian's whole back story is (to me) relevant not as an excuse but as a starting point for believing that it is possible that he cannot be rehabilitated. In that regard, it's beginning to sound from reports into his behavior like he will never be safe to be released and will always require the intense supervision of multiple male staff, whom I do not envy one bit.

Yes, it doesn't sound like he will ever be rehabilitated, but the death sentence has not been applied to non-murderers since the early 19th century.

There’s no death penalty in Ireland so there’s no point really talking about it. It’s a red herring.

What’s important is what happens to Kardashian next, and what processes are used to determine that, and whether those processes are fair for women, the staff, and the public.

At least now the joke of the ‘robust risk assessment’ can be discussed publicly. I don’t think people on the whole had a clue how shit it was.

Regular day to day, non-crimimal trans-people should be free to use whatever loo they like.

No they should not. They should use the bathroom that is assigned to their biological sex. It needs to be the safety of women that's thought about, not the feelings of a trans individual.
Good news re Barbie Kardashian, he is a real danger.

No, they absolutely should not.

Until recently, male-bodied people didn’t tend to enter women’s single-sex spaces. And if they did, women were well within the rights to ask them to leave. The law (and basic decency) was on their side.

That is no longer the case.

You do realise what the unintended consequence of self-ID is, don’t you?

Anyone can claim to be female to get access to women’s single-sex spaces, and to vulnerable women and girls (note: all girls and women become vulnerable when in the presence of someone who intends to harm them).

This isn’t even about trans people per se (although trans-identified males should not be in women’s single-sex spaces). This is about the removal of safeguards for women and girls that then allow anyone who simply says they’re a women to gain access to spaces they should not be entitled to be in.

You may be OK with that, but I absolutely am not. And I don’t see why women’s safety, privacy and dignity can just be thrown out because women like you are fine with it.

Single sex spaces needing to remain single sex for the dignity, privacy and protection of females.

Also, calling anyone “trannies” is offensive and quite demeaning. Trans people have the right to respect and appropriate terminology as any other group.

Nice red herring, making this about toilets. How about communal showers, communal changing rooms, or hospital wards? Basically any setting involving full or occasional nudity? Your take is truly demeaning to women's day to day dignity.