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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Barbie Kardashian to be moved from Woman's prison

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minsmum · 16/04/2023 22:52

According to the Countess it's been announced that Kardashian will be moved
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1647702177283014657

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1647702177283014657

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loislovesstewie · 17/04/2023 11:01

Id'ing as a woman but keeping male genitalia, presumably, and threatening to rape your own mother seems to negate the need to call him female and send him to a female prison. We need more common sense about this.

potniatheron · 17/04/2023 11:02

This is a man who tried to scalp and gouge out the eyes of his social worker, raped and assaulted his mother, and said that he loved the sound of women screaming in pain.

I am convinced that BK is a serial killer in the making. A significant proportion of serial killers enjoyed dressing up as women because they regarded being 'female' as being subservient and worthy of abuse (prominent trans thinker and author Andrea Chu also thinks this): e.g. Ed Gein, Ed Kemper, Peter Sutcliffe, Hadden Clark, Chales Manson, Henry Lee Lucas, Doil Lane are just a few of the serial killers who also were trans women.

There needs to be urgent research on the causative or correlative links between AGP trans and violence against women. BK would be a great living case study.

And yes the fact that he spent a year in a women's prison should be a focus of global media excoriation.

Stellanotbud · 17/04/2023 11:09

@potniatheron all I can say is that Ireland is a disgrace. We are headed down a very dangerous road.

nepeta · 17/04/2023 17:34

How does the Irish law define mental illness when it comes to crimes? Are personality disorders, such as psychopathy, included or not?

I read something on this when the Barbie Kardashian case was first discussed, in an article or post where someone stated that cases like this one fell through holes in the definitions the law uses.

BarrysorLyons · 23/04/2023 10:50

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/helen-mcentee-approved-housing-of-inmate-alongside-prisoners-of-the-opposite-sex-42444800.html

This article, from Mark Tighe, seems to say that in Irish law it was entirely legal to house Transwomen with their own sex, as the laws were gender neutral.
.He said the issue of accommodation was governed by a 2007 Statutory Instrument. He said this also did not require the separation of genders but "for obvious reasons of operational considerations and security” it was always the case that "both genders were separated.

Why then did Helen McEntee make the decision to place violent males in with women?

Helen McEntee approved housing of inmate alongside prisoners of the opposite sex

Justice Minister Helen McEntee authorised the Irish Prison Service to house a prisoner with inmates of the opposite sex in March 2021.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/helen-mcentee-approved-housing-of-inmate-alongside-prisoners-of-the-opposite-sex-42444800.html

WickedSerious · 23/04/2023 10:56

Pennywise Kardashian.

Abhannmor · 23/04/2023 10:59

BarrysorLyons · 23/04/2023 10:50

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/helen-mcentee-approved-housing-of-inmate-alongside-prisoners-of-the-opposite-sex-42444800.html

This article, from Mark Tighe, seems to say that in Irish law it was entirely legal to house Transwomen with their own sex, as the laws were gender neutral.
.He said the issue of accommodation was governed by a 2007 Statutory Instrument. He said this also did not require the separation of genders but "for obvious reasons of operational considerations and security” it was always the case that "both genders were separated.

Why then did Helen McEntee make the decision to place violent males in with women?

Surely this is a resigning matter. McEntee is a Minister of State.

Unlike that Senator woman who gave evidence to the Scottish government that everything here was hunky dory - and there are nine genders.

Can't think of her name.

CordyLines · 23/04/2023 11:06

Helen Mc Entee is actually THE MINISTER for Justice. Full on minister. She is on maternity leave now and Simon Harris is filling in for the duration.

FG might be woke but will go broke very soon. But from what I can read (from afar) they are waking up slowly. I don't think people will take much more of this gender stuff particularly WRT education syllabi. That minister Nora Foley was on a solo run but was put back to the starting blocks recently.

Interesting to follow this, having seen what happened in Scotland. I am delighted that BK has been moved out of the women's prison, and it was an absolute disgrace that he was there in the first place.

Stellanotbud · 23/04/2023 11:39

@CordyLines they are waking up alright, I've been emailing for the best part of two years voicing my concerns about women's single sex spaces & the proposed national curriculum changes, over the past 6 weeks I've been receiving replies from TDs, one minister & I also had a phone call last week. They are waking up, it definitely is worth emailing, phoning them, leaving voicemails or speaking with their aides who answer their personal office lines. They are starting to listen. They know if they don't they're out.

OneMorePlant · 23/04/2023 12:03

Thelnebriati · 16/04/2023 23:04

So much for the robust risk assessment.

I don't remember who said it, but it was a lawyer who said that the risk assessment only involves the danger to the prisoner from other prisoners, not the risk they pose towards other prisoners.

So the assessments look into how the man is safe from the women, not ever how the women are in danger from the man.

miri1985 · 23/04/2023 12:05

That article about Helen McEntee's iditotic decision is just another example of why the Irish GRA is such an incredibly bad piece of legislation. They keep differentiating between male and female but don't acknowledge that the Irish law allows males to "become" females with the stroke of a pen, they're making a distinction that they legislated themselves out of. Its not just gender recognition its false sex recognition

The fact that the Minister was consulted before BK was sent to the womens prison means that self ID doesn't work when it comes to prisons because everyone involved is too afraid to say no lest they be set on by the woke mob. Female guards have been put in serious danger for months because of this.

Also the focus being on prisons is such a red herring, what happens when BK gets out should every womens space have to accommodate BK.

OneMorePlant · 23/04/2023 12:06

Florissante · 17/04/2023 07:32

I've always had trouble the claim that being abused makes you more likely to be an abuser because it applies only to men. If it applied to both sexes, there would be an explosion of sex crimes committed by women, too.

That is actually a point I have never thought about. Thank you for posting this. I have to do some research and maybe reevaluate my opinions on this one as wel.

StepAwayFromTheBiscuitJar · 23/04/2023 21:51

It seems to a certain degree that men and women internalise abuse differently, which may partly be social conditioning. I don't know.

I remember reading a study about how statistically the majority of violent porn is watched by women, and how a lot of women also have rape fantasies, and they found that those who'd been abused were far more likely to display these attributes.

ArabeIIaScott · 23/04/2023 22:32

statistically the majority of violent porn is watched by women

Really? That seems unexpected.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 23/04/2023 23:53

StepAwayFromTheBiscuitJar · 23/04/2023 21:51

It seems to a certain degree that men and women internalise abuse differently, which may partly be social conditioning. I don't know.

I remember reading a study about how statistically the majority of violent porn is watched by women, and how a lot of women also have rape fantasies, and they found that those who'd been abused were far more likely to display these attributes.

Sorry, in the absence of a citation, I just don’t believe this.

Feel free to prove me wrong. I’m always happy to learn.

Speckson · 24/04/2023 01:24

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 23/04/2023 23:53

Sorry, in the absence of a citation, I just don’t believe this.

Feel free to prove me wrong. I’m always happy to learn.

Maybe women who have been abused are more willing to admit to having rape fantasies than those who haven't?

Also I thought women preferred written porn to visual porn (sorry, don't have a citation) - and there are certainly plenty of rape themes in slash fiction which is 99% written and read by women.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 24/04/2023 01:59

Right, but … the assertion was that ‘statistically the majority of violent porn is watched by women’.

I’d like to see proof of that.

DarkDayforMN · 24/04/2023 02:47

I think the violent porn reference may be a lost-in-translation version of something I saw about pornhub - that the violent porn category was the most popular category of searches among women. Sounds superficially similar but is very different. I don't think they said how many of their users were women. And of course, their definition of women is "porn users who identify themselves as women on a survey".... no one here needs the implications of that spelled out.

(Another thing to consider: my understanding is that the most violent porn is shown to the heaviest users as the algorithm escalates, though I haven't got citations for that on hand. Whatever proportion of porn users actual women are, they are likely to be a much smaller proportion of the heaviest most addicted users.)

nilsmousehammer · 24/04/2023 06:54

Nancy Friday's books years ago recorded that rape fantasies were not uncommon in women. I don't remember violent ones being included, however fantasising isn't the same as being up for actually experiencing it.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 24/04/2023 06:59

None of this is negating the claim that ‘statistically the majority of violent porn is watched by women’.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 24/04/2023 07:02

Anyone with a working brain knows that the majority of violent porn is watched by men.

Cailin66 · 24/04/2023 10:50

Abhannmor · 23/04/2023 10:59

Surely this is a resigning matter. McEntee is a Minister of State.

Unlike that Senator woman who gave evidence to the Scottish government that everything here was hunky dory - and there are nine genders.

Can't think of her name.

The Irish Senator who told the Scottish Government that there were about 9 genders is Regina Doherty.

WATCH: Senator Regina Doherty says there are 9 genders - Gript

WATCH: Senator Regina Doherty says there are 9 genders - Gript

“Probably.”

https://gript.ie/watch-senator-regina-doherty-says-there-are-9-genders/

Cailin66 · 24/04/2023 10:53

Beowulfa · 17/04/2023 10:26

Why isn't this disturbed individual in a high security hospital, like Broadmoor?

Ireland does not have a Broadmoor. It has the Central Mental Hospital. But you have to be assessed by doctors as mentally ill in order for a judge to order you into the CMH. Also Barbie did not use insanity as a defense in court. He's not mentally ill but he is highly disturbed because of his horrifically abusive childhood. It's a good thing he's not in the CMH because you can be discharged from there if you are not deemed after a time to no longer be mentally ill.

Abhannmor · 24/04/2023 12:13

Cailin66 · 24/04/2023 10:50

The Irish Senator who told the Scottish Government that there were about 9 genders is Regina Doherty.

WATCH: Senator Regina Doherty says there are 9 genders - Gript

Groan. The gombeen who campaigned to abolish the Seanad and now sits there at our expense.

nilsmousehammer · 24/04/2023 13:07

Cailin66 · 24/04/2023 10:53

Ireland does not have a Broadmoor. It has the Central Mental Hospital. But you have to be assessed by doctors as mentally ill in order for a judge to order you into the CMH. Also Barbie did not use insanity as a defense in court. He's not mentally ill but he is highly disturbed because of his horrifically abusive childhood. It's a good thing he's not in the CMH because you can be discharged from there if you are not deemed after a time to no longer be mentally ill.

Broadmoor has traditionally not only coped with treating mentally ill criminals but containing the 'dangerously criminally insane' in old money. You're left wondering if mainstream prisons are expected to contain those as violent and dangerous as this individual, wtaf are the ones in Broadmoor and its Irish/Scots equivalents like? And I can see why so many prison officers rapidly burn out and leave with such a high rate of MH and physical harm related injuries.

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