Barbie Kardashian to be moved from Woman's prison

[minsmum]

According to the Countess it's been announced that Kardashian will be moved
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1647702177283014657

Very well said. UK please look at the mess Ireland is in now having passed the Gender Recognition Act, don't let it happen on your watch for your daughter's sakes. Barbie Kardashian is only the start of it here in Ireland...

Perhaps that person listens to the Heteradorx podcast. Corina calls herself a trannie on that and the co host also uses that term.

And calling a person who wants to rape 'she' is ridiculous. Can we just get back to biology? A person born with a penis can never become a woman. Think of some other term but not anything that means the female of the species.

I've always had trouble the claim that being abused makes you more likely to be an abuser because it applies only to men. If it applied to both sexes, there would be an explosion of sex crimes committed by women, too.

Questions need to be asked now of organisations like Amnesty International, who a year ago were campaigning for Barbie to be allowed to mix with the female prisoners and to not be subjected to male prison guards supervising all interactions he had with female guards.

I hope that Barbie doesn't get a whiff of the upcoming transfer. BK's threats are against women. If BK realises there's a chance of transfer to a male prison, there's a high likelihood of BK taking any opportunity to attack any woman within reach ie the female guards who already don't feel safe. Given the horrendous injuries inflicted quickly on the social worker, I hope the prison has taken this into consideration.

I'm also wondering if the Irish prison service will take the route of the Scottish prison service and decide BK is too dangerous to remain in prison, so release BK.

Not sure what pronouns we're allowed to use in BKs case so I'm trying to avoid a deletion.

Presumably this is a pre-emptive move before the wording of the referendum is released and we start the debate. As far as I can see the other transgender prisoners (one of them also a violent sex offender) are still in Limerick prison (in a separate area? that's new if so). and BK will still probably have to be in solitary for the rest of the sentence - but where?

all a mess

and no, male bodied people should not be in the women's changing rooms, hospital wards, showers or loos.

@DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry the GRA needs to be abolished here in Ireland , no ifs or buts. It's not in the constitution they can reverse it. The GRA took away women's rights. TRAs are not women & never will be. Or they can reword the GRA to create a third sex with third sex rights & third sex spaces.. Irish women need our rights & spaces back.

What do you mean by in a separate area? The trans prisoners on the women's wing have never been allowed to mix with the women. They take up much needed space, the women's exercise time is reduced because of them and they shout horrible things at the women, many who describe as terrifying. But they have never been given any physical access to the female prisoners.

Female prison guards have to deal with them including searches. And this has always been done with male guards present. It's not fair on the female guards but some degree of consideration for their safety has always been taken.

I know that they didn't mix and that women's normal 'freedoms' and rights such as they were were greatly reduced in consequence, but the woman who spoke to Paddy O'Gorman indicated that they were close enough to be heard and to be overheard by, even if not seen and be seen by. The newspaper story suggests the transgender prisoners and the two women child-killers are in a separate place. Which still isn't good - I have no idea what the story is about the two women, but the extra punishment of being confined with men seems as inappropriate for them as for the other women. If prison is meant to offer some chance of rehabilitation, this isn't way to do it.

No, no they should not.

You do not get to give consent on behalf of women who: have been traumatised by male violence; are of different faiths and literally cannot share intimate spaces with males; find their privacy and dignity diminished by doing so.

You are not everyone.

The decision won't be because they care about the staff more. A high number of the staff are women and, not being incarcerated, they do actually have a choice over whether to work there. If you worked in a womens prison and were expected to come into contact with Barbie I bet you'd be looking at other jobs PDQ.

@teawamutu if only one woman feels violated & uncomfortable with a man in a woman only designated space it's one woman too many. You are absolutely right. No woman should ever feel safe or uncomfortable in women's spaces. It's fucking disgusting that men's feelings are overriding women's & they feel completely justified & entitled to muscle their way into to our toilets, changing rooms & claim our rights as their own.

My lightbulb moment, after years of going along with 'be kind, they've suffered so much, it's nice to share':

No-one. Ever. Asked. Us.

Not once. Never even occurred to them to see if the support humans minded.

On reflection, I mind that very much. Fuck that shit.

That’s a transphobic term. Not acceptable on mumsnet.

100%. Women were not given the choice. These men enforced themselves into our spaces & are continuing to erode our fights @teawamutu just look at sports ffs.. They don't want third spaces, they want ours.. Enough is enough, common sense must prevail. Don't end up like Ireland.

Why isn't this disturbed individual in a high security hospital, like Broadmoor?

TBH, I hope BK sues so more sunlight is on the issue and the Government don't get to sweep this under the rug. I want everyone in power to have to nail their colours to the mast about this

I think if BK goes quietly to a mens prison then those in power will get to claim its all hunky dory nothing to see here, alls fine in Ireland, nothing wrong with the GRA etc. and it will likely take an Isla Bryson situation for the problems with the GRA to be brought up again. All the meanwhile other countries will cite Ireland as a country where self ID is going swimmingly

The only option of that kind is the Central Mental Hospital and B K has been assessed as not mentally ill.

How??!

Think in order for you to be sentenced to the CMH you would need to put in an insanity defense which BK did not do

Not sure, but the assessments all stressed a very manipulative personality in control of what they were doing and adopting a persona as a means to an end (there's a link somewhere on one of the BK threads).

And if Barbie had been judged mentally ill then a challenge against compulsory detention might be easier and more likely to succeed than one against a straightforward conviction for criminal assault.

It's horrible all round, an abused child failed by the system for over a decade, then almost unmanageable when the state eventually intervened.

I don't know this particular case, and don't want to, but as with the other media reports of such 'trans women' (who mysteriously identify as such only after committing their horrendous male crimes), I bet this person will be dropping the ridiculous name and any other dressing up accoutrements the second they go to a male prison. What a pathetic waste of time and money these people are, as if being a criminal is not enough of a burden on the taxpayer.

Barbie has been self-identifying as a girl/woman for at least 6 years while in state care and is unlikely to go to a male prison as long as gender self-id remains the law in Ireland.

TBF to Barbie, the cross sex identity is not a new identity (although a diagnosis of gender dysphoria was not given despite Barbie being seen by Tavistock clinicians).

BK’s own legal counsel said ‘several personality disorders’

according to this article: https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dangerous-transgender-prisoner-barbie-kardashian-29526551