The Uncancelling of JK Rowling

[NutellaEllaElla]

Gosh it is heartening to see even more evidence that the tide has turned. She's stuck to her guns and been too reasonable to be cancelled by the misogynists.

Times article here

The end goal of gender ideology and the eradification of sex inevitably leads not to the eradication of men, but to that of women.

She rejects the primacy of the concept of gender identity theory over the reality of sex.

That's far too simplistic.

Nobody objects to people identying however they wish; what is objected to is the imposition of that 'identity' onto everyone else. You cannot compel people to accept someone else's private belief system.

Of course, but not if he accuses me of bringing a whistle.

(Or she, or they.)

We call them toilets or loos in Britain; and no, it is not a farce. We have single sex spaces in public areas for good reason. They act as a safeguard for the privacy and dignity of one's sex - especially for the female sex.

We all have toilets at home too - but we don't open our front door and let in the general public in to use them at will. We maintain our right to control access to them. For good reason.

I'm sure they do on all manner of subjects, but on one thing they agree - and that is that sex is real and it matters - especially to women and girls in certain situations; and for that reason women and girls must maintain the right to single sex spaces, services and sporting categories.

They also agree to reject the sex denial that is at the heart of gender identity theory - which in the end game totally erases women as a distinct category of human being.

It is not a fact. You cannot change your sex. Your sex is recorded in every cell of your body.

What you are talking about is gender presentation. Gender identity or gender presentation and sex are not the same thing at all. It is disturbing to think that young people are actualy being led to believe they can change their sex.

And as others have said @TaylorMia you don't get to allow distress to others who want to continue single sex spaces by trying to be right on or kind or whatever. It's not being kind to the majority.

Oh bless.

These are like arguments made by a small child who has grabbed entirely the wrong end of the stick. Just so far from having the vaguest clue what they’re talking about.

Given the username is a catchphrase from
a preschool tv show… maybe they are a young child.

I think they are. Sounds like one of the brainwashed young teens at school spouting crap they've seen on Thicktok.

@hotdiggetydog - cutting off a penis and creating a gaping open cavity wound in lieu of a vagina doesn't change your sex. You are still male. You can still get prostate cancer. Remove the prostate and you are still male.

You can cosplay as the opposite sex to your heart's content, but castration and bodily mutilation still doesn't change the fact you are born as either male or female. Or of course, as I'm sure someone will bring up, in extremely rare cases, "intersex", but that is an abnormality, not the norm.

Changing your name to write a book doesn't make you a man so why should JKR expect to receive the perceived benefits of being one?

Yup

dumb or trolling

although in your case I feel you don’t have to make a choice

You really haven't understood the concept of female oppression at all, have you?

Go and do some reading. Women and men, that is, those of the female sex and those of the male sex are treated differently by our society.

Hence women needing certain rights, protections and assistance.

For equity.

If men and women were on a level playing field, women wouldn't need to use male pen names to be taken seriously.

She's not getting some kind of bonus that she isn't entitled to, she's trying to avoid the discrimination and unfairness of being a woman. Men pretending to be women are stealing the things put in place to try and level the playing field, to give women equity. Trying to conflate the two as a 'gotcha' is just illogical.

And you seem to be saying that it's right that women are discriminated against, she should get back in her box and suck it up. Interesting view to express in the feminist board!

I’ve never heard PP describing herself as ‘triggered’, but please post references, as I’m not an authority on everything she has said.

She refuses to call men ‘women’. But so do I, and so do most ordinary people unless they are being threatened or intimidated into toeing the genderist line.

Why don't you concentrate on what I have said rather than what you think I said?

Eh? This makes no sense
It's a fact that a lot of men won't even consider reading work with a female name on it. So why wouldn't JKR use a male name to write a crime novel, in order to appeal to a wider audience?

That's not a "perceived benefit" of being a man. She's not trying to be a man.

Maybe I am also a man, as I'm using a male handle

Or maybe I'm trying to get perceived benefits of being a man online. It works well on mumsnet 😂

Am I non binary if I use a male online persona and a female real life persona? Or am I definitely a woman as mums can't be nonbinary, or trans, as my teenager insists?

Are you deliberately being obtuse or do you just struggle with basic comprehension and logic?

Several people on the previous thread all tried to explain to you why women publishing under male pen names as a result of outright sexism in the publishing industry and society has a long history.

A book is not a person.

What you say is not very clear. You previously said:
Changing your name to write a book doesn't make you a man so why should JKR expect to receive the perceived benefits of being one?

In which case, why does changing your name to claim to be a lesbian make you a woman or allow you to expect "the perceived benefits of being one"?

BTW, I notice that despite several requests you haven't provided any evidence that JKR "bashes trans people" or "pretends to be a bloke" when using a nom de plume.

Last sentence - Robert Galbraith

Yes, she used a nom de plume as I mentioned. To repeat the part that you ignored:

What you say is not very clear. You previously said:
Changing your name to write a book doesn't make you a man so why should JKR expect to receive the perceived benefits of being one?

In which case, why does changing your name to claim to be a lesbian make you a woman or allow you to expect "the perceived benefits of being one"?

It doesn't. That's my point. Crikey.

OMG why have you equated these two things? Are you saying trans people are "pretending to be a bloke"? How completely transphobic of you.

I was concentrating on what you actually said.

Not what you might think you've said.

You seem to be complaining about JKR using a male pen name to "receive the perceived benefits of being one" (a man), while not actually being one.

What are these perceived benefits you speak of, if they are not simply avoiding sexism in the publishing industry?

You seemed to be saying she has no right to try to 'identify out' of sexism because she's not actually a man, i.e. that women deserve and should put up with the disadvantages of being a woman in a sexist society, we have no right to the 'benefit' of not being discriminated against for being women.

If that's not what you meant, please can you explain again, because I'm afraid I've missed your point.