A Californian mother talks about dealing with a daughter caught up in the ideology

[Coyoacan]

Sharing Heritage Foundation links. Interesting.

@DocStrangelove

I'm not an expert on all the different news feeds. So you think the organisation behind the Daily Signal invalidates that person's problem and response to the problem?

I put it up because there are so many parents looking for ways to respond to ROGD in their teenager daughters, so I thought it would be helpful to post this mother's method.

For the record, neither the economy, Trump, race, unions or homosexuality are mentioned in this interview.

I might hesitate to share information from a group that also bankrolling/promoting criminalizing abortion and is doing so by spreading misinformation about common forms of birth control, the negligible risk of medication abortion, and ectopic pregnancies.

So someone’s experiences are not valid because of the platform that shared it? Are you saying this woman is lying about her experiences because the group has other views that you (and for the record I) think are wrong?

If we only ever listened to people who had the same experiences as our own or only took our information from approved media sources we’d all end up in echo chamber, purity spiral driven triablism.

Oh, wait…

FFS @Coyoacan didnt you check the credentials of this organisation to make sure they are sufficiently pure before deciding whether this woman should be allowed to share her story? 🙄

@DocStrangelove

I'm self-flagelating right now.

Oh FFS!!! You have linked to a platform that highlights a range of voices, including voices that many people disagree about abortion, but highlight other voices on other topics that we might agree with.

I have listened . I would like any people who finds the platform repulsive to address the issues raised by the mother. Do you find what she says repulsive?

Is there a reason we should not encourage people to hear her voice? Or is her voice forever to be scorned because of the platform who hosted her voice?

Heritage foundation is vile - but WHY aren't any "normal " groups speaking out? Why do I have to listen to ridiculous American organisations to hear these stories?

As an organization they have presented information in a highly misleading way in order to further their political agenda. Why would you assume they are not doing the same in this instance?

Has anyone listened to the woman speak and are you addressing her points?

As Helle says though DocStrangelove what do you have to say about what she says rather than the platform she says it on? Your comments upthread suggest you think she is either not being honest or has spun her story in some way?

Having listened to it I thought it bears many similarities to the stories of detransitioners and their parents we have heard before, including from parents on this board.

LET WOMEN SPEAK

Yes I listened to the interview and familiar with Friday's activism. Listening to her narrate a story of conversion therapy I would be interesting in hearing from the child before drawing a conclusion. It sounds similar to many stories about children/teenagers prevented from transitioning who felt coerced including many individuals I know/have known.

Just listened to it - really interesting and helpful, particularly in relation to my own family circumstances. Thank you for sharing.

It's useful to have the background about the platform but TBH I would just apply the same critical thinking as I've done on all the of this stuff. It saddens me that most of the information that I find helpful is in media and platforms that I would never imagine myself reading/listening to but I've also learned a lot about myself in that respect. In a good way. Never did I imagine listening to Piers Morgan, reading the Daily Mail and so on.. but yet I have. That doesn't mean I'll agree with everything that they say.

With the interviewee being a Democrat, I'd hazard a guess that it wouldn't be her platform of choice. Perhaps she even agreed her boundaries in advance. Either way, well done her for sharing her message so that other parents can listen to it.

*all of this stuff

@DocStrangelove "conversion therapy" is an interesting phrase.

Is it possible to distinguish between the conversion therapy of telling a child they are possibly a different gender (because they are more GI Joe than Barbie) from the conversion therapy of telling a child that they are possibly in the right body yet confused about what gender is? Surely both or neither are examples of conversion therapy. It can't just be one of them.

@BonfireLady, I'm glad you found it helpful. My dgd is 9 and I worry about her falling into the hands of that type of teacher and having her health and fertility ruined.

You are desperate to silence people who you disagree with aren’t you? Why is that?

You are desperate to silence people who you disagree with aren’t you? Why is that?

I think the clue might be in the username

You've got me. I am indeed played by Peter Sellers.

Who have I silenced? I have shared my skepticism based on information I have about the source from spending a great deal of time reading and listening to their materials. If people are genuinely concerned about not being in an echo chamber then I am uncertain how voicing this opinion is problematic.

It is conversion therapy if the therapist has a pre-determined outcome they are seeking, whether it is that sexuality must always be heterosexual or that transgender individuals do not/should not exist. Exploratory therapy allows the patient to guide the process.

I have shared my skepticism based on information I have about the source from spending a great deal of time reading and listening to their materials

You must be its greatest fan then and have you never found anything worth sharing with other people there or do you just read and listen to its material to make yourself angry.

I mean I find there are not enough hours in the day to read and listen to all the stuff that bring worthwhile knowledge to my life, so I would never spend so much time listening to something I found abhorent.

But feel free to call me out if you ever find me posting anything racist, anti-abortion or in praise of people getting extremely wealthy by keeping their employees in sweat-shop type working conditions

I mean I find there are not enough hours in the day to read and listen to all the stuff that bring worthwhile knowledge to my life, so I would never spend so much time listening to something I found abhorent.

I research American conservatism and "family values" politics. It is literally my job.

It is conversion therapy if the therapist has a pre-determined outcome they are seeking,

You mean like gender affirming therapists?

@DocStrangelove
It is conversion therapy if the therapist has a pre-determined outcome they are seeking, whether it is that sexuality must always be heterosexual or that transgender individuals do not/should not exist. Exploratory therapy allows the patient to guide the process.

I see your point to a degree. The mum (and presumably the therapist she selected the second time) had a pre-deterimed outcome in mind that they would help the daughter understand and accept her body. Similar to how someone would approach other body dysmorphia/dysphoria issues like anorexia.

I also agree with you that this shouldn't be an echo chamber. It's about listening to each other and challenging other opinions respectfully. Then listening some more and so on.

I guess the key things for me would be that no child should be making decisions about modifying their body in an irreversible way.

As I understand it, where gender dysphoria seems to branch away from other body dysmorphia is that on rare occasions, people (adults whose brains have developed past adolescence) may find that talking therapy does not address the gender dysphoria. After much consideration of the risks, the answer could then be surgical intervention. As I understand it, this is closer to the origins of gender identity care. What's happened in the last 10/15 years seems to be more of a social contagion which is impacting confused adolescent girls by providing what is effectively the wrong answer.