A Californian mother talks about dealing with a daughter caught up in the ideology

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discarded with such gay abandon

Or as was common, gays abandoned.

A transman isn't male.

Words have meanings.

Would you, however, criminalize two 11 year olds you found out had sex?

Children at that age having sex is usually the result of inappropriate sexual exposure of at least one of them and possible coercion of the other. There may well be a role for the police and certainly social service involvement. I certainly wouldn’t ignore it.

DocStrangelove · Today 01:07
I was wondering how you know so many?
How many of each kind did you know altogether? Are you in a particular job which means you are particularly likely to come across body dysphoric children?

I am trans and so I am part of a community. We need support from one another too. Especially right now.

Thank you for your answer.

I believe distress and traumas of various kinds, as well as autism and OCD, and sometimes a child being potentially gay in the future, or just the upset of puberty, can manifest in various ways, (for example in body dysphoria or anorexia), that appear to be self-contained but are related.

A think it is a crime to affirm a child as “being” transgender rather than helped through talking therapies or helped in other ways.

Then it is very clear that a good many are being affected by Rapid Onset gender dysphoria, simply as an effect of peer pressure and the internet. How beyond ridiculous for adults to set that in stone.

I hope no child, especially “right now” as you cryptically put it, comes under the orbit of so called support from adult transgender people who have a vested interest in seeing children as being born in the wrong bodies but with a transgender inner self.

clutches pearls

But... But... It comes from a conservative site! It, therefore, must be wrong.

Dr Strangelove replies suggest this person is in America.

The left keeps trying to link transology and access to safe abortion as a package, as though we can't have one without the other.

I would not call myself pro abortion. There are times when it is the least awful option. Such as, but not limited to, when a woman or girl is pregnant through rape. And it is always rape if she is below the age of consent. I would consider the morning after pill a form of contraception. In mainland UK the consensus is that there are times when abortion is needed. Access to abortion is well regulated and terminations performed by the NHS free at point of delivery.

In America, with unregulated profit driven healthcare perhaps there is a fear that open access abortion rights would be abused. Such as female infanticide. I don't know the details of the arguments.

But leftist, mostly men, who tell women in Britain that our abortion rights will disappear if we don't accept self ID are way off the mark.

Helleofabore · Yesterday 19:00

Has anyone listened to the woman speak and are you addressing her points?

Yes, and she is a strong and intelligent women, who helped her daughter escape a cult-like immersion in trans ideology triggered by her school through outsourced sex education classes when she was eleven.

She had some especially good advice and is well worth listening to.

But leftist, mostly men, who tell women in Britain that our abortion rights will disappear if we don't accept self ID are way off the mark.

Agreed. Always the forced teaming. Always the warnings about forbidden right wing sources. Always derailing discussions about children onto adult issues with the dangerous assumption that children are mini adults.

The individuals most likely to perpetrate child abuse are the parents of that child. That's one of the many reasons to listen to children and to have multiple persons in their lives who can support them.

Medicine: to help with disease and wellbeing.
Gender Medicine: tocause disease despite no evidence of benefit to wellbeing

My gender affirming care has been magnificent for my wellbeing, as it has been for many folks as is borne out in the medical literature. Opposition to birth control has often been that it interrupts healthy, normal processes in the body to prevent pregnancy which is not a disease. I think many of us found that disrupting those natural processes in the body greatly enhanced our well-being and our capacity to be in control of our own lives.

I hope no child, especially “right now” as you cryptically put it, comes under the orbit of so called support from adult transgender people who have a vested interest in seeing children as being born in the wrong bodies but with a transgender inner self.

The "right now" is a reference to a period of time where state legislatures who apparently do not have any pressing problems in their states and are laser focused on restricting access to health care for trans persons and for abortion care. Because of increased visibility there is a constant stream of invective and, in some cases, physical danger being experienced by trans people. I mean I can scroll up this thread and, in addition to the vague suggestion here that I have a secret agenda in attending support groups for trans people, read that my body is diseased and mutilated. I have spoken with the parents of trans or exploring children who are interested in talking with me because they fear for their children and just want to know it will be possible for their kids to grow up and have a happy life. I have no "vested interest" in anyone other than me being trans. I do have an interest in the happiness of trans persons and their families.

I heard from someone in the USA that it is puberty blockers, hormones and surgery being banned for CHILDREN in some states.

This thread is not about US bans on abortions.

Can you explain the links between The Daiky Signal and the Heritage Foundation please?

I find your posts really confusing, like coming into a lecture on conspiracy theories half way through!

So, gender affirming only treatment is fully and robustly explorative?

And the trans community continues to embrace those people who thought they were trans but were not trans?

It's quite hard to discuss with someone in America. US healthcare seems to be a profit driven free for all. I'm not surprised state legislators need to intervene to curb the worst excesses.

Even under the NHS, the paediatric gender identity disorder service got completely out of control. Fortunately we have regulated healthcare, rationed according to need. That's not to say that GIDS won't come back in another guise. And the NHS is not immune to scandal. But we take it as read here that healthcare is regulated. So there isn't the quite the same tantrumic outrage when ethical limits are placed on medical procedures.

And again, abortion rights are not up for discussion in the UK. We have safe, regulated, free access. Stop trying to conflate self id with abortion.

The school examples that woman in the film gives are similar to the propaganda pushed by UK schools in my experience.

I‘ve listened to the woman. She identifies herself as a Democrat.
The reason she is on that platform is probably that what she has to say is not welcome on Liberal/Left platforms.

That gender clinic whistleblower, Jamie Reed, said no attorney and no platform except conservative ones would want anything to do with her. She initially got her job in the gender clinic to help gender dysphoric children, aware that this would often mean transition and as a lesbian woman considers herself part of the rainbow community.

It is like in the US as an antiwar activist the only mainstream program that will let you speak is Tucker Carlson.

The liberal, mainstream left commits self-immolation these days.

The new Missouri Law requires people under 18 who want to transition to display gender dysphoria for three consecutive years and undergo 18 months of therapy before any medical intervention.

detransitioners like Tulip/Richie welcome it As this should lower the number of regretters. It certainly sounds reasonable. Obviously, if there are no funds for the 18 months of therapy (which I don‘t know), this will only be a half measure. Not that the corporate Democrats would fight for that.

I listened to a really interesting chat between Buck Angel and Blaire White (posted on this board) where they both said something similar about a longer consideration period being a better idea. The new Missouri law certainly seems sensible IMO.

Both of them are happy in their transition but both said that no children should be making these decisions. Also, they discuss gender dysphoria through the lens of mental illness.

@DocStrangelove I have appreciated your engagement in this thread, even though our views don't align. Have you seen the Blaire/Buck discussion? If not you may find it interesting.

I can dig out the link should anyone want to see it. I found it a very interesting viewpoint, given their life experiences.

This is the link to Jamie Reed’s interview with Triggernometry.

Anyone who has read Irreversible Damage would know know most of this, but Jamie has current relevant clinical experience. And is married to a female who identifies as a man so is very familiar at many levels with gender identity.

I also consider what she says about ‘affirming only’ care to be concerning, in that it is not exploratory therapy.

I think that a great deal of effort needs to be put in to defining ‘gender affirming only’ therapy across the world and what it entails. I suspect it is used too often as a sleight of hand to hide that no exploratory therapy is being given or very little.

And any deviation is being classed as ‘conversion therapy’.

Who exactly does this benefit? I doubt that it is benefitting the child and adolescent patients.