Starmer insults women’s intelligence to blame Sunak for judicial failures when it was Starmer’s CPS that failed to prosecute rapists

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I am so fed up with politicians and their seedy bully boy tactics.

So Starmer having failed to get personal approval from voters who rate Sunak higher than him, doesn't think maybe I should try harder to be more relevant to voters.

No he decides to roll in the gutter and use personal attacks. https://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/politics/labour-takes-inspiration-from-australia-with-sunak-attack-ads-but-they-need-more-to-pull-off-a-proper-ousting/

I'm not saying the Tories are blameless, but lets face it, it was/is the CPS who continued/s to fail to prosecute rapists even when the police present evidence, because the CPS only want to take on sure fire winning court cases to up their stats.

So not only has Labour tried to make out Sunak (who became as MP the same year as Starmer) personally doesn't want child abusers to go to prison, but now has plagerised women campaign's slogan about how rape has been decriminalised. https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/the-decriminalisation-of-rape/

And yet Labour still doesn't know what a woman is, nor have they re-admitted women expelled from Labour for saying women are biological females. But think our tiny emotional brains will be overwhelmed by their crass statements about women's issues.

Labour seem to think that because this sort of politcal sloganeering used by the vote leave party were sucessful during the Brexit campaign, that this is how they will win the next election.

Which is worse? That our politicians think voters are such dimwits. Or that they might be right. https://labourlist.org/2023/04/labour-attack-ad-rishi-sunak-crime-twitter-controversial-advert/

I too agree that letting 4500 convicted paedophiles off without a jail sentence is no bad thing. All hail the Tories!

Think that you are the only one saying this Zodfa. Weird thing to celebrate.

I think Zodfa was being sarcastic.

I got that.

According to The News Agents podcast, Labour consider the attack ads a success because everyone is talking about them. So Labour are of the mindset that there’s no such thing as bad publicity?? 🤷‍♀️

https://www.globalplayer.com/podcasts/episodes/7DrfNho/

I think this facile attempt to connect MPs to sentencing is just silly.

Judges etc., set sentencing and as the earlier part of the thread pointed out, the sentencing guidelines committee (or whatever its name is) isn't an MPs committee. So called experts such as Starmer inform these committees or are even part of they and take decisions.

Look at how many people (men) have been let out of prison when they seem so clearly to still be a threat. MPs aren't taking these decisions, so called experts are.

And the low level of rape cases going to court, wasn't about cuts (which I know are real) to court services but were because the CPS only wanted to take on sure fire winner cases.

And yes the NHS has been starved of money, but a lot of what money there is is wasted by top heavy management.

So depressing to have a discussion where the level of debate is like the sort of school boy sloganeering of the SWP.

Although accept that in many areas of government funded services, cuts have absolutely radically changed how those services are provided eg closure of local police stations, no bobbies on the beat, etc..

But if Labour had any guts they would have an honest discussion about how with less public money to spend (even after dumping over blown vanity projects) they would be able to improve the provision of services.

The worry is Labour attack ads are dragging us into the bizarre unreality of US politics, which depends of making people believe the impossible, and then when it doesn't happen because it cant, people turn round and say there must be a conspiracy.

To be effective an attack ad needs to be credible.

My impression is that Rishi is a family man who is not be motivated to be lenient on child abusers. (Neither does he come across as a “hang ‘em, flog ‘em” type.)

One conspiracy theory doing the rounds is that he is part of some international conspiracy of bankers trying to control the international monetary system.(We have an otherwise lovely friend who seems to subscribe to every conspiracy theory going…it’s often hard to keep a straight face.) I don’t believe that either, but there is a better credibility fit.

It’s going to be quite hard for Labour. Rishi’s weakness is that he lacks warmth and charisma and many voters do not think he understands their situation. Part of this is his wealth. Part will be the posh public school, Oxbridge, Stanford. But also the fact that he is not white and (nominally) Christian. Attempts to ‘other’ him could be seen as racism. From a part that has only ever had white men as leaders.

I think that Starmer is worried as Sunak is coming over as reasonable and thoughtful which was Starmer's angle. So now instead Starmer appears to have gone batshit attack dog and I suspect has done permanent harm to his image.

So now instead Starmer appears to have gone batshit attack dog

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I'm not sure that him not being white and Christian, nominally or not, will be a real issue for the Tories. I don't think many Conservative voters care, for some the fact that he might have a more practicing faith might be a plus - plenty of religious people feel they have more in common with people from other religions than people of no religion.

But it may be kind of a problem for Labour which likes to be able to give an underlying sense that Tories and anyone who votes for them are against non-white, non-Christian people. Which is difficult to claim with RS without looking overtly stupid.

Semicolon, that was essentially my point. I was not suggesting that the Tories have a problem with Rishi’s background. The party, arguably, has a good record in promoting women and ethnic minorities. The problem is for Labour. As you say, any attack campaign especially one focussed on Rishi himself, runs the risk of looking racist.

(I suspect Rishi’s problem within the Tory party is more about him being centrist an insufficiently low tax Thatcherite.)

LGBT Labour are reconsidering marching at Pride events due to safety concerns. The report makes it quite clear that the threats come from within the LGBT (read that as TQ+) community and have arisen in response to KS flip flopping over self ID.

At least they are exposing the truth; you can piss women off without being threatened with violence but the TRA's - not so much. How can they do this and still not acknowledge the trans rights movement is a violent men's rights movement?

Weirdly, i cannot find your other thread criticising Sunak for calling Starmer a "Lefty Lawyer who wants uncontrolled immigration" or Johnson, backed by Sunak for stating under Parliamentary privilege, that Starmer failed to prosecute Saville.

As far as i can tell, Labour are doing what the Tories have been doing to them for years.... Kinnock, Brown, Milliband, Corbyn (no one called Corbyn a Terrorist sympathiser until Cameron did in 2015)

If you can't take, don't dish it.....

Plus all your arguments fall down because the Tories have been in power for 13 years and have had all that time to put right Labour errors made during their 13 years in power.

Cuts to the Justice System inc the Police, are the direct cause of 3 yr waits for rape cases and the CPS only go for open and shut cases because they have no resource to risk scarce funds on less sure fire cases.

Worked out where the literal violence is really coming from, have they?

The TeRArists.

If you can't take, don't dish it.....

So you are a fan of juvenile gutter politics? Good to know. At least the Left is not pretending to have any moral authority any longer and that it is somehow 'better' than the right.

Where has this so called moral authority got Labour? no where.

Sunak himself said he would have a new style of politics and then promptly accused Starmer of being a leftie lawyer on the side of uncontrolled immigration, another minister than said Starmer (as DPP) refused to jail the worst of the UK 's sex offenders!

Plus the tweets are basically correct, the Tories have presided over child abusers not going to jail, 4000 of them, at anytime over the last 13years they could have changed this but chose not too.

Your faux outrage would be more genuine if you equally condemned the Tories... once again, right wing hypocrisy.

I just find this, amongst other things that the Labour Party do or don't do, so disappointing.

I want to hear about what THEY will do to make positive changes, I'm not interested in their smears.

We all already know the failings of the Tories. We've lived through them. It smacks of an uncertain opposition if the best you can do is attempt to smear Sunak. Are they that scared of him? He does come across as a reasonable bloke. He seems to understand that identity politics offend a large part of the electorate.

In the meantime the LP is pissing everyone off. Left leaning women are disenfranchised and the TRAs think they are transphobic. That's where fence sitting gets you. The LP need to realise that smearing Sunak doesn't solve this problem. They need to have clear policies, not only on women's rights but on other issues.

They should have an open goal after the last few years, if they fail to win an overwhelming majority it is on them. Just like it was when they were certain that Corbyn would win after his tour of rock concerts.

Rayner did badly on Sky today on this:

twitter.com/kayburley/status/1646416142536155136?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Hasn't retweeted it because she's been away. But has been on SM. Can she not hear the message she's sending?

Plus the tweets are basically correct

You agree that Rishi Sunak does not want to lock up child rapists? Because THAT is what the tweet said. It was an attack on the man and the wording strategically placed next to his pic so I would also say there is a racist element to it.

Excellent post.

Raynor who called Tories scum at a party conference speech, and the next day someone decided to attack a Tory MP because they were ‘scum’?

Plus the tweets are basically correct, the Tories have presided over child abusers not going to jail, 4000 of them, at anytime over the last 13years they could have changed this but chose not too.

Then why didn't the posters say the Tories? The campaign is a deliberate attempt to smear Rishi Sunak rather than criticise the Conservative party. It's the personal element I find distasteful. I also think it's an own goal for Labour but that's their business.