Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

[PlanetLuna]

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

@MNHQ

I occasionally go over the Feminism Chat to see what I might me missing and end up reporting several of the threads because they are very clearly about Sex and Gender and should be in here!

OP I do not agree with your views, but I agree the feminist board is highly toxic to anyone who does not agree with the dominant viewpoint. The only woman accepted are those who are gender critical, very supportive of Posie Parker and who think the trans issue is the most important issue facing women.

And seriously, thank you OP for raising this. Sorry for deluge of comments you're getting. Sex and gender in the context of feminism has sooooo many more facets than the GC angle that need discussion.

Oooh go on. Can we have a thread about that? You start. It’ll be good

if I did an interpretive dance to represent 'be the change you want to see' would that help?

Would a robust discussion about this topic be possible on a board where No GC opinion is permitted?

I’d imagine you could have a pretty feeble discussion, but not a ‘robust’ one?

😂

@Happylittlechicken Why that snidy comment?

Would it look like this?

What "GC" men are you talking about? I see plenty of men who are socially conservative and/or religious who recognise the existence of biological sex but who are also in support of gender. As in they hold that there are gendered roles for women and men, and that only women and men should have those gendered roles.

OK. Start that thread. However, can the OP who starts it not use misinformation and misrepresentations to make their point please. Can it be factual, and can the OP check those facts from original sources rather than simply flinging around labels that they are repeating from else where?

That might end up a good discussion.

The burn ❤️‍🔥

Currently, the trans issue IS the most important issue facing women.

It wasn’t snide. I was saying, if that’s what you want to discuss, start a thread. I’m sure you’ll get a good debate on it. Why did you think I was being snarky?

The irony of a woman saying “I’m looking for a safe space to speak” and being ripped to shreds 🙄

DS1 actually did interpretive dance in school this term. I was delgihted. this far he has declined to perform his dance for me. apparently it was about racism

@TheShellBeach Plenty of women disagree.

Because we already average around 2 threads a day on this topic on the S&G board (and if you were to post one elsewhere, it would likely be shunted over here by mods within the first hour).

Why are you sorry for the OPs thread getting lots of replies? Isn't that half the point of starting a discussion thread?

Yes me too wit the flashbacks. Didn’t some people suggest at the time that FWR stayed as it was and a second board was set up for the lib fems to allow inclusion of penis havers. Perhaps just change the S&G board back to FWR and rename chat for the lib fems.

err.how is this place not safe? What do you think is going to happen? Or do you mean, the irony of someone wanting an inclusive board but wanting some people excluded? Or someone wanting a board that only discusses what they want to discuss and only people with the right opinions will be able to post?

it's kind of implicit that unless someone says 'this is a fact and here's the proof' the stuff they type here is their opinion.

you have an opinion, so does the other poster. I really don't see the problem here

Thanks for that, @AskMeMore.

I’m confident there are many who don’t agree with me who would engage constructively and in good faith on a board that is tolerant and supportive of non-GC points of view.

I find the suggestion that MN is not a safe space to be rather concerning. Here people have the opportunity to voice their opinions, and to have discussion within the talk guidelines. They are not doxxed. There is no threats of any kind allowed. And if you don't like the discussion, you can hide the thread.

I really wonder at people who want a 'safe space' on a commercial website forum to discuss things or who want the people who post on that website to be welcoming and agreeable.

How do people who expect this deal with real life issues?

When you say "feminism board" which one do you mean? Chat or S&G?