Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

You are the one being inflammatory and divisive. You could take what she said at face value rather than making up accusations of racism, stupidity, not giving a fuck about humanity etc.

SB sounds like she understands the issues pretty well and I think we desperately need someone willing and able to confront the issues of woman hating and abuse as it manifests in British Pakistani culture.

It's not the only issue that needs tackling but it's important and I'm glad she is taking a stand.

The scandal that is currently brewing involves Bradford. A local MP has said it is far worse than what went on in Rotherham, but that nobody wants to talk about about it.

You are the one being inflammatory and divisive.

How? By disagreeing with Suella Braverman? 😂 By saying that alienating communities doesn’t protect victims? I wonder which part of that is inflammatory or divisive.

Earlier you mentioned Bolton and Rotherham, yet you seemd unaware that Bolton is in the north too ( what has being. 'in the north' got to do with anything, anyway?). Walsall is another working class manufacturing town, but this time in the West Midlands. In what way is it very different? Your points are rather opaque and difficult to decipher.

Try reading the whole comment.

@NotHavingIt Is this where the proposed “new” law of having to report concerns of sexual abuse could come in? Iirc it means people can be prosecuted (?) for receiving information about sexual abuse but not passing it on to the relevant authorities (of course then you have to trust the relevant authorities to act.) It would mean in cases like the one you’re referring to, people don’t have the choice of “not wanting to know.” It could be a useful step. Schools have a similar obligation with safeguarding, especially for FGM which must be reported to the police immediately rather than to safeguarding leads.

There you go jonei

Show me where I accused anyone of not giving a fuck about humanity, or where I made up accusations of racism and stupidity.

In one post I think you could be alluding to, rather than accusing people of being racist I was pointing out that some people possibly hadn’t seen the effect Braverman’s recent words had had on the south Asian community. That’s not accusing people of being racist or stupid. It’s pointing out something there people genuinely may not be aware of.

What’s the point in twisting words and making things up? Where do you find the energy 😂

The issue, I believe, is a long history of grooming gangs operating in that city, but as with Rotherham people are not wanting to deal with it - for fear of being labelled racist.

SB is probably being very canny about what matters to the ordinary person in the street at the moment.

I was really surprised about the whole Brexit thing, how everyone was going on about ‘the problem of immigration’ and ‘the need to control our own borders’ - I didn’t think that would be important to people, but it was, Brexit happened.
Those who supported and voted for Brexit were smeared as being so for purely xenophobic/racist reasons. I have since discovered those smears were snobby prejudice.

What has come to light though, in the period between then and now is extreme media bias, suppression of certain events. What I have seen play out, is the police persecution, the bias, the ‘non-crime hate incidents’ against people who challenge trans ideology. It has been frightening.

As we’ve dug deeper and started to get somewhere, it seems that the outcomes of the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry had some undesirable side effects on the police behaviour - being more concerned about optics than justice. Furthermore all quiet diversity and inclusion lobbying by Stonewall, Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence, etc, has led to bias and apathy in the police.

People don’t feel like they can speak freely about the things that bother them without being called transphobic, racist, islamophobic and the suppression of these genuine concerns doesn’t make them disappear.

The issue of the non-Muslim mother needing to go to a mosque and grovel to a group of imams because her son scuffed a copy of the qu’ran was really alarming.

I believe SB needed to send out a strong message about ‘British Values’ to appease people who feel they are being sidelined and silenced - to let them know they are being heard. It’s wise, because we could do without something as radical as Brexit happening again from making voters feel muzzled and powerless by glossing over tensions. I think the grooming gangs were mentioned as part of that.

What is this meant to be in answer to please? Because the question I was responding to here was yours about which specific factors needed to be tackled above and beyond the misogyny that all rapists share.

I note you already tried to rewrite the question post my answer (about which group I find more repugnant) so forgive me checking but it does seem like you're not really arguing in good faith here.

@NotHavingIt not only the fears of being labelled racist, but also the misogyny from the police force (see screenshot). Whether sturdier reporting systems would help isn’t a given but anything that cracks down on the kind of system you’re alluding to it worth a try.

Thanks @beastlyslumber didn’t
expect that but it’s appreciated! Likewise I’ll retract my comment about you twisting my words - I now have an uncomfortable image of me and @jgw1 and @AdamRyan as some kind of three headed monster and I hope you don’t have nightmares 😉

Bradford is West Yorkshire, not South Yorkshire.

You asked this.
Braverman said "British Pakistani men who hold cultural values at odds with British values" were a problem.
I disagree with her, another poster raised "those values"

I don't agree so rather than run the risk of you implying I'm a racist for beliefs I don't hold, I quoted another poster about what they said those values were

Shh, don't mention it on this thread, apparently such facts derail it.

😂

I certainly haven't said i don't give a fuck about any posters humanity and i highly doubt Jgw would say anything like that either.
Maybe you misinterpreted a post?

Bradford is very different to Bolton and Walsall. Bradford is up north.

Are you ok? You keep repeating this as if it actually means something. Are we all missing something? You know that Bolton is 'up north' too right?

Those who supported and voted for Brexit were smeared as being so for purely xenophobic/racist reasons. I have since discovered those smears were snobby prejudice. what I found interesting about that @EndlessTea is that the kind of people doing the smearing are the same kinds of people who support Maori right to sovereignty- promised in the treaty and of course never happened. For those kinds of people, typically on the left, it’s ok for indigenous Maori to talk about our sovereignty and how foreigners have changed and impacted our culture, but it’s not ok for people of the UK to do the same in their country. I voted remain but could see why the uk voted to leave.

Not my words either.
Or any words I have seen on this thread, but perhaps I haven't read every word.

What? 🙄

Bolton is very different from Rotherham and Bradford. Rotherham and Bradford are up north.