Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

And I do not understand why you are arguing against doing more to fight sexual exploitation of children.

Where did I say that?

I think a consultation about how to deal with British pakistani sex abusers is a wholly ineffective way to reduce child abuse. There are other more effective actions that could be taken.

I'm interested why so many posters are invested in this particular aspect of CSA over and above other kinds?

Actually, I'll rephrase thar. I think the effect it will have on reducing child abuse will be minimal and the effort could be better spent elsewhere. Braverman knows this and so her policy is not about protecting children but about populism and appealing to instinct.

Where is the tricky moral dilema in saying that all CSE should be investigated and dealt with and cutting the Justice system is not going to achieve that?

That is ‘avoidance’ of a tricky moral dilemma not a tricky moral dilemma in itself.

It is avoid by panning out so far that the details can’t be seen.

Instead a neat, preformed, ethical model can be superimposed over the view so that no uncomfortable dilemmas need be experienced.

I don't think the thousands and thousands of girls who have been raped and abused by these grooming gangs, for the past 40 years, will see this as minimal. You don't speak for them.

But you do you.

the effort could be better spent elsewhere

Nothing to see here… the oppressor and oppressed are the wrong way around for my ethical model…. Nothing to see… look elsewhere….

It is avoided by panning out so far that the details can’t be seen.

the effort could be better spent elsewhere

There we have it. Undeserving victims. Hierarchies of victims. Best ignore these ones, not worth the effort.

It tells you all you need to know about these posters. They always reveal their hand in the end.

I am still at a loss to know what the ethical dilema is with wanting all CSE to be investigated and dealt with.

So disingenuous.

It tells you all you need to know about these posters. They always reveal their hand in the end.

They sure do

Were this 2006 and Sunak and Braverman were opposition, you might have a point but after 13 years of right wing Tory Government and with Home Secretaries like May and Patel, who and where is this "Authoritarian left?"

If we want to have a discussion about protecting children, then perhaps we should also bring in the ongoing cuts to education budgets?

Are you being wilfully dim or is it bad faith.

Avoiding a dilemma is not the same thing as a dilemma.

You'd like to add education into the dilution process now would you.

I see.

If we want to have a discussion about protecting children, then perhaps we should also bring in the ongoing cuts to education budgets?

No we don't. As a PP said when you began this ludicrous derail, start another thread if you want to discuss something different.

I think the point is that that May and Patel are the authoritarian left in comparison to the latest version of a Tory government.

I can't think what else the point being made could be.

Oh honestly
1.6% of reported rapes result in conviction. An estimated 1 in 5 women are raped. So there are hundreds of thousands of rape victims in this country who don't see justice. Yet on the numerous threads about that I'm on, radio silence as to what we can do about it.

Many of the reasons rape victims are failed play directly into the reasons white working class girls have been failed. Questions around how willing the teenagers were to have sex (even though legally they can't), questions around the veracity of the "wrong" kind of victim. Questions about what to do if the rape involved drink or drugs.

But no, let's not tackle those underlying things where it would truly benefit all victims. Let's instead focus on the fact it was white girls and brown men. That's the real priority here.

Makes me so angry.

Most of the women booted out of the Labour Party for wrongthink happened while Labour has been in opposition.

Maybe I am dim, but I have no idea what dilema you are talking about.

I'm not the least bit surprised that you don't want to discuss the effects of reducing education budgets on child protection.

1.6% of reported rapes result in conviction. An estimated 1 in 5 women are raped. So there are hundreds of thousands of rape victims in this country who don't see justice. Yet on the numerous threads about that I'm on, radio silence as to what we can do about it.

Are you saying this board has never discussed this? That isn’t accurate, but go start a different thread about it then.

If you want to discuss education funding, start a thread on it.

I wish to apologise for derailing this thread by raising an issue that is important to child protection which this thread purports to be about.

Some seem agitated by any discussion on this topic at all with attempts to derail.

If there’s an issue discuss it at least.