What do Labour mean by 'Modernise the Outdated Gender Recognition Act'?

[ChristinaXYZ]

This is is after suggesting that they arre rowing back on self-id. Is 'Modernise the GRA' going to be a new phrase that basically means self-id but we don't want anyone to notice?

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1641689281617088512

The bile they continue to allow against Rosie Duffield (see the responses to the tweet demanding she be kicked out of the party for having an opinion) makes a mockery of any claim they have to be interested in protecting women and girls.

"Tougher penalities for LGBT+ hate crimes"...I wonder if that includes against those TRAs who vilify lesbians for not wanting their penises...

Why apply for a GRC (which changes your birth certificate) if you don’t HAVE a UK birth certificate to change?

I believe this story has similar motivations to the Freddy McConnell case, it’s an attempt to force a law change through the courts, by passing parliament.

Foreign born residents whose birth countries don’t have a legal sex change process probably do get some sort of benefit from
a GRC despite not being able to use it for a birth certificate change (possibly legal comparator change for EQ10) but this person comes from a US state that does recognise the change requested, so I can’t see that there is any real-world benefit to the individual? The legal comparator change is void because which sex would you be compared to if you hadn’t changed level sex from M to F? Surely courts would have to default to your birth sex? Nonbinary ISN’T A SEX!

It must surely be a QT politically motivated court case?

Modernise = self id and remove the spousal clause

I expect it is not what I would term modernising- perhaps reducing the two years after a medical diagnosis, or allowing someone to be recorded as having transgendered on their death certificate if their will provides for this.

The wonderful JKR on Twitter said the whole transgender issue with regard to the mutilation of children will be the next big scandal, NHS will be sued for £millions

I feel that if the issue is really just marriage and death certificates (clue: it's not, it's about self id and misogyny), then it would be much easier to just revise marriage and death certificates.

Ive casually looked into this before from a Scottish perspective as I have a Scottish marriage certificate and have been through the process of getting married in Scotland - there is no sex or gender on the certificate and you can use your legal name which may not be your birth name. There are also no mandatory words in the ceremony so no-one is getting called a bride when they're a groom or vice versa.

I don't know about death certificates having never seen one. Grave stones definitely use your legal name (not necessarily your birth name yadda yadda).

I don't know what the case is in England and Wales but it shouldn't be too hard to allow people to get married and die* using whatever name they are using in other legal circs at the time.

*Death certs are used for health stats so I would be against de-sexing these but an additional gender box could be added if wanted.

This

It means whatever they think you want it to mean. Hopping it will appeal to both TRAs, MRAs and Womens’s Rights advocates.

Of course it does (I know this was a rhetorical question). Look at the comments under the original tweet. They hate women.

Marriage certs have been re done recently.

I don’t think they have sex on them anyway?

(they’ve stopped using ‘spinster’ and ‘bachelor’ for sure)

I don’t think they did say they were rowing back on it did they?

Correct. The worry is going after the Sexual Offences Act so that "women" can be rapists.

I think this is just an option to get self-id in under the radar.

I do not trust Labour with women's rights and women's safety - not one bit.

The parties that 'get it' (the clash between women's rights and gender issues) seem to be the Conservatives, the SDP, Reform, Reclaim and Kellie-Jay's new party. And those other right wing blighters, the Communist Party.

This is the current marriage certificate side by side with the old version (dunno if this change is just E&W or all 4 nations).

We used to list groom first then bride but now you can pick the order (which makes sense now that it can be two brides or two grooms!)

Old one asked for fathers details but the new ones offer mother/father/parent and allow for it to be left blank.

No mention of sex or gender.

Single has replaced both spinster/bachelor

(Thanks to the various tabloids for publishing Carrie and Boris’ cert!)

Cool. So no grc required to get married as your "true self".

Completely agree.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4688427-repeal-the-gra?page=5&reply=124679371

Bloody hell, some of the comments.......the hatred of Rosie Duffield, it's horrific.

'Throw Down's Rose showing his true colours. What a delightful chap he is.

Are Labour maybe proposing scrapping the GRA?

Great idea! I'm on board!

Yep. But then transactivists aren’t exactly known for being truthful campaigners!

I know right?

Maybe I missed the bit in Dentons where it said “to deflect scrutiny- be as tedious, whiney, insufferable and petty as possible, so other people with actual problems won’t have the headspace to think about what you are up to”.

I expect it is not what I would term modernising- perhaps reducing the two years after a medical diagnosis, or allowing someone to be recorded as having transgendered on their death certificate if their will provides for this.

The process isnt two years after a medical diagnosis. Its two years living as the desired gender plus a medical diagnosis. A GRC can be given days after a diagnosis.

I'm with @ChristinaXYZ on this. Labour has been reluctant to support and protect its own female MPs, let alone women as a whole.
This is all dissembling and bullshit, in an effort to be electable. Wouldn't trust them as far as I could kick them.

I'm impressed they've actually managed to upset everyone according to those twitter comments. Anything other than total capitulation to the trans lobby is seen as transphobic.

I was planning on simply not voting.

I think I will now lend a GC Tory my vote.