Starmer rowing back on self ID - what do we think?

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The Times is reporting in its live politics feed that KS has explicitly said Labour will not push for self ID without public backing. I know not everyone can access their content so here is a copied n pasted version: what do you think?

Sir Keir Starmer has shifted Labour’s position on transgender rights as he said the bitter rows over Scotland’s Gender Recognition Bill showed the party must consider public opinion on the issue.The leader of the Labour Party has previously insisted it was committed to updating the Gender Recognition Act to introduce self-identification for transgender people.However, in a significant shift in Labour’s policy, he said the backlash over the SNP’s gender reform bill had made him think again. The SNP passed legislation this year that would make it significantly easier for people to acquire a gender recognition certificate and reduced the minimum age for doing so to 16. The bill was blocked by the UK government.Starmer said: “I think that if we reflect on what’s happened in Scotland, the lesson I take from that is that if you’re going to make reforms, you have to carry the public with you.

“And I think that’s a very important message and I think that’s why it’s clear that in Scotland, there should be a reset of the situation.”

This is highly partial. The Lords challenges this as anyone with access to the internet and who remembers tracking it, knows. Here's some of what the Act as passed says:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2021/5/crossheading/ministerial-maternity-allowances/enacted

"(1)
A mother or expectant mother designated as a Minister on Leave under this section is to be paid an allowance in accordance with section 2.
(2)
The Prime Minister may designate a mother or expectant mother as a Minister on Leave if—
(a)
the mother or expectant mother appears to the Prime Minister to satisfy either of the conditions in subsection (3), and
(b)
the mother or expectant mother ceases to hold a ministerial office (“the first ministerial office”) but remains a member of Her Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom by virtue of immediately being appointed to another ministerial office (“the designated ministerial office”) for the purposes of being designated under this section.
(3)
The conditions in this subsection are that—
(a)
the expectant mother is within 12 weeks before the expected week of childbirth;
(b)
the mother has given birth to a child within the previous 4 weeks.
(4)
In subsection (3)(b) “child” includes a still-born child within the meaning of the Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953 (see section 41(1) of that Act)"

Pray tell, how did the Tories erase women with these words?

The Cass review was commissioned.
The Casey review was commissioned.

Any changes yet?
Back in the 80s we were taught about govermental Reviews, Investigations and Enquiries. They don't mean Change.

The recommendations from the interim Cass Review (the full review is yet to be published) have already been accepted and being implemented.

GIDS is closing and will be replaced by two (north and south) services with a view to rolling out more, with a focus on a multi disciplinary/holistic approach.

You might want to research your assertions before posting.

www.england.nhs.uk/commissioning/spec-services/npc-crg/gender-dysphoria-clinical-programme/implementing-advice-from-the-cass-review/

Link re: implementation information for clarity.

TooBigForMyBoots · Today 21:46

I have not seen anything to show that Labour, Lib Dems and Greens are not much worse than the Conservatives on this issue, bad though the Conservatives have been.

That's not to say that I'm not appreciative of all the reverse ferreting going on by our Tory government. But it's not enough.

The Tories are going to lose the next GE. If they gave a shit about women and girls, they would reverse all the TRA nonsense and remove the genderwoo they have written into policy.

Oh and keep a very close eye on the TRA ticking time bomb on their backbenches that they appointed to the Women's and Equalities com. They also need to get the TWAW head out of Education.

Now, all this, I certainly agree with. Though of course, they won’t, because they want women to feel deterred from voting Labour, not that the risks have been mitigated.

Proof that they are playing games with women MissLucy to get votes. Not that they care about women's rights.

See also the HO statement on KJK in NZ but nothing about the attack on British lesbians in the UK this weekend.

As I have repeatedly acknowledged.

I’m in my 50s but have never voted Tory. They are opportunists. It’s unfortunate that, at present, they are better on self-ID than their rivals.

Lesbians weren't attacked. I saw the entire video that Auditor filmed. The lack of policing was shameful. The Met are a disgrace and it's on Suella Braverman to change things.
Because Sadiq Khan won't!

The Met Commissioner reports to the Home Secretary for strategic services such as Anti-terror and diplomatic protection but reports to the Mayor of London for crime and local policing. This is down to Sadiq Khan.

TooBigForMyBoots · Today 21:55

That's not to say that I'm not appreciative of all the reverse ferreting going on by our Tory government. But it's not enough.

The Tories are going to lose the next GE. If they gave a shit about women and girls, they would reverse all the TRA nonsense and remove the genderwoo they have written into policy.

Oh and keep a very close eye on the TRA ticking time bomb on their backbenches that they appointed to the Women's and Equalities com. They also need to get the TWAW head out of Education.

I agree with all of this.

None the less I may try to vote to keep Labour out in case there is any hope of them losing. (I only say may in case they

change before the election.)

Oh thanks for explaining who reports to whom. So it's Sadiq Khan who is failing to uphold and support women.

No. It's the whole system.

No. The Met Commissioner reports to Sadiq Khan for crime and local policing.
So Sadiq Khan is responsible for the police not protecting women at Speakers Corner and the Lesbian meeting.

Re the Women and Equalities Commission
seems to be a bit of a contradiction of terms.

Anum Qaisar

An SNP MP was branded "embarrassing" and "clueless" after seeing her written arguments about gender reforms being torn apart by a leading barrister.^
Anum Qaisar was also called "out of her depth" as she comprehensively lost a debate against Naomi Cunningham, a discrimination lawyer from Outer Temple Chamber

I have read the transcript. She was just awful.

Then there is a man who is a transvestite (?) or transwoman who was wearing the sort of clothes men think demeans women when he caused a crash; and he was formerly a sort of pimp.

Caroline Nokes is TWAW I think.

Bell Ribeiro-Abbi has stated her disgust that T was not included in the Conversion Therapy Ban, without reference to the very real reasons for concern, especially around troubled teens,of banning anything but instant affirmation shoukd they question their gender.

I haven’t finished going through the list.

Women and Equalities continued
Kate Osborne
At a committee meeting over the Scotland gender reform bill, Labour MP Kate Osborne criticised the government for “playing politics with trans people’s lives”.
A one-off session of the Women and Equalities Committee was held on Tuesday (31 January) which sought to discuss the bill and its interplay with the Equality Act.

Rachel Maclean
Seems neutral or measured.

Kim Johnson
Wants self-ID

Mark Jenkinson
Said in response to someone stating TWAW etc, Trans men are not men, they’re trans men; Trans women are not women, they’re trans women; and being non-binary is a nonsense, you don’t get to opt out of nature

Caroline Nokes, along with Maria Miller were instrumental in this Trans fuck up of women's rights. Con MP for Bridgend, Jamie Wallis (I plead Trans M'lud) got his place on Women's and Equalities under Sunak.

And again, nice of the HO to criticise what happened to KJK in NZ. Pity they can't do the same for British women in the UK.

Just more pretty words, pretending they give a shit.

You're not putting you head above the parapet here Janes, this isn't AIBU. The Tories captured MN FWR a long time ago.

Don't be so bloody daft. MN FWR is not captured by the Tories.

We are captured by biological fact. Men are men and women are women. I'd like who I vote for to be happy to agree with me on that out loud and in public. I may be a paid up member of the Labour party but I won't vote for them until they agree with me on what a flaming woman is. If Kier won't say the words he knows to be true then how can I trust him and my party to lead a country?

‘Captured’

The only thing that gets gets captured is previously logical minds by gender lies.

The left is captured as is obvious from scenes and images from many countries recently.

I need gender identity ideology off Labours cards completely. Labour will only have my vote once their paperwork and policies reflect this.

When you see voters of all persuasions talking to each other about issues they broadly agree on, and when you, TooBigForMyBoots interpret that as being captured by Tories then it tells us a lot about your mindset.

By the way, I really don't care who started this - how old are you? I care about fixing it. And I don't even really care what their motives are for fixing it, just as long as they do it.

This.

I will even allow myself a bit of grudging respect for politicians who will about they've looked at new info and realised they were wrong, regardless of party.

My priority is who will fix it, and - this bit is very important, Boots - who would make it worse.

Right now, Labour is hell bent on making it worse. You'd do better to put your energy into trying to get them to change, rather than endlessly scolding us to hold our noses and vote for them. Because I won't until they commit to fixing the mess. Hard no.

Yes they do want to make it worse and I wonder if Labour do get in power and bring in self Id Will they just disappear because happy.