Starmer rowing back on self ID - what do we think?

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The Times is reporting in its live politics feed that KS has explicitly said Labour will not push for self ID without public backing. I know not everyone can access their content so here is a copied n pasted version: what do you think?

Sir Keir Starmer has shifted Labour’s position on transgender rights as he said the bitter rows over Scotland’s Gender Recognition Bill showed the party must consider public opinion on the issue.The leader of the Labour Party has previously insisted it was committed to updating the Gender Recognition Act to introduce self-identification for transgender people.However, in a significant shift in Labour’s policy, he said the backlash over the SNP’s gender reform bill had made him think again. The SNP passed legislation this year that would make it significantly easier for people to acquire a gender recognition certificate and reduced the minimum age for doing so to 16. The bill was blocked by the UK government.Starmer said: “I think that if we reflect on what’s happened in Scotland, the lesson I take from that is that if you’re going to make reforms, you have to carry the public with you.

“And I think that’s a very important message and I think that’s why it’s clear that in Scotland, there should be a reset of the situation.”

It is not women's responsibility to get rid of this government, it is the job of the opposition, and given the present state of affairs, it should be the easiest job in politics right now.
If Labour cannot convince women that it is their interests to vote for them then that is Labour's fault, and no-one else's.

Yep if they fail again it’s all on them.

And always in the same, angry, hectoring, you’re stupid and wrong tone.

That Debbie Hayton blog is interesting.

I was horrified when Theresa May said she wanted to make it easier to change legal gender. It made me question her judgement on everything else.

However, a couple of years later Suella Braverman is allowed to defend women's rights and be Home Secretary. Self ID seems to be a free vote for the Tories but a whipped one for Labour. Which makes the Conservatives the lesser of two evils on this fundamental issue. Still depends on the local candidates though. If the Labour candidate is GC then they need support. Sadly it seems unlikely that GC people will get through Labour selection process now though.

Has Angela Rayner been posting in this thread?

I am not voting Labour, they voted Angela Rayner as deputy leader.

I am not voting for Cruel, selfish, male supremacy, biology denial, shudders at people like me with his nose in the air because he thinks he is superior to others and can tell them that they can't say a woman has a cervix, swining dick Starmer!

I may consider the next lot if they have nothing to do with Stonewall and Queer ideology, so out of touch Great Grandad Starmer can forget about his grandson Streeting taking over.

Although Rosie Duffield survived didn’t she? That was a happy surprise.

@Signalbox I guess Rosie Duffield was selected when sex and gender issues were in abeyance. Glad she's hanging in there, despite the abuse and lack of support from her boss.

Are there any other gender critical Labour MPs? Even in the closet?

ResisterRex · Yesterday 22:01According to Hansard, they always have known.

twitter.com/hairyleggdharpy/status/1049289194370002945?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Thsnk you for posting that.

This is a law of “totalitarian coercion”.
It is a criminal law.

I wonder if it is also the stupidest law, made by the stupidest people ever known?

Lady Haldane was right. The law did always intend to say that someone with a GRC has actually changed their sex.

How they thought that, if same sex marriage was wrong, then sex marriage by another name and a false certificate would be alright, is ridiculous.

How DARE the same government who did this -saying how stringent the panel would be, how only a few people with the psychological disturbance of dysphoria would be allowed this - now talk about self -ID. It would make them liars.

Thank goodness Theresa May left in time to press a pause button.

Sorry, that was rather incoherent. I am just so angry.

I think she was very recently re-selected. But could be wrong.

Here…

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/amp/rosie-duffield-will-stand-again-after-surviving-ballot-271028/

I wonder if it is also the stupidest law, made by the stupidest people ever known?

Scrolling, I think you answered your own question...

Are there any other gender critical Labour MPs? Even in the closet?

Yes, I think they are in the Labour Women’s Declaration.

Starmer refused to let them have a stall at the last conference.

The phrase ‘totalitarian coercion’ from one of the objectors to the GRA, in that Hansard record which is in that thread about the making of the GRA which ResisterRex posted, really resonates.

This is a law of “totalitarian coercion”.
It is a criminal law.

I wonder if it is also the stupidest law, made by the stupidest people ever known?

And still they persist!

Lammy the old out of touch Great Grandfather hoarding a string of stupid lame laws, telling women we are dinosaurs hoarding rights and that a man can grow a cervix no wonder Starmer doesn't want any cervix talk.

Are there any other gender critical Labour MPs? Even in the closet?

Tonia Antoniazzi (Gower) is pro women.

Marsha de Cordova quit the Equalities brief because she wouldn't trot out TWAW iirc.

And there's a couple of other male MPs who've said vaguely terfy things, of course with nothing like the shit that's been inflicted on Rosie Duffield.

If people and nations are to be given self determination and they aren't to have colonist imposing culture on them, what happens when you don't like their new laws Labour? Will Starmer stick his nose in the air, shudder, what if they try to impose their culture abd new laws on you Starmer in return?

Great - so maybe 5 GC MPs out of more than 200? Compared to dozens who are openly and aggressively TWAW.

I can't think what we're worried about..

I don't like the GRA, I think it's a stupid law.

No wonder other countries are looking around at the west imposing stupid laws telling everyone men are women. Now we see other countries going to extremes in response at the terror that foreign NGOs are going to their countries imposing these daft laws there too via Dentons stealth. Is it really a surprise those countries are out of fear that certain lib NGOs are going to drive their population insane with biology denial too?

If your nation required foreign aid what's the easiest way to block them pushing Queer ideology as a price to pay for that aid?

I think many (most?) are cowardly rather then convinced.

Rosie Duffield was elected chair of the Labour parliamentary women's group by her fellow MPs, for example.

I can understand, looking at what's been done to Rosie. But FFS, what's the point of a politician who's scared to state facts?

You are a PM not from the West and you see this from Be Kind Brigade

twitter.com/AuntyHeihei/status/1639398111801126912?s=20

Who tell you men are woman, who think humans are a plague on the earth, they want your population eating a vegan diet and not to reproduce, these are the same people deciding who gets aid?

He is like Boris Johnson in the way he has no obvious political integrity, and will say, and back, whatever he needs to, in order to be elected. He has reneged on all of his previous pledges and has alienated most Labour party members in doing so.

Labour is prepared to over-ride the integrity of women and girls as a distinct class of human beings, with their own specific needs and requirements. It is the most vulnerable girls and women who will be most impacted.

children are being taught that there are 101 genders, that they can change sex, that they are transphobes if they misgender their class mate; girls are having to share toilets with boys; girls feelings are considered unimportant.

Marginalised women in prisons are second to violent men who identify as women; stories of having to shower with naked men; of having men shout lewd comments at them; masturbating.

Muslim women an other religious women who are already marginalised have not been consulted on how opening up single sex spaces would impact on their ability to access public facilities; their single sex swimming sessions and community groups and events.

Women in refuges and rape crisis centres are expected to tolerate the presence of males when they are at their most vulnerable.

When it comes to illegal migrants - many of whom are uneducated muslim men from Albania and other muslim countrues who have travelled to Britain alone - what of the impact on local women and girls of a population of men who have been brought up to have no respect for women and their rights to move about theiur town or city freely? Ayan Hirsi Ali talks of how whole areas in some european cities are now no-go areas for women and girls due to the large numbers of hostile and aggressive migrants who have been placed there.

how can you protect women and girls and centre their intetests if you cannot even define what a woman is in a way that does not include males; when medical literature is written so as to exclude the words that women use to name their own bodies.

All of the issue you mention are not going to improive in any drastic way just through voting Labour next year - but cementing in gender ideology is going to have radical and long term negative consequences.

Starmer is a male supremist with a brain wired up all wrong, you can tell this by the fact he said on the BBC that you shouldn't say a woman has a cervix, what normal person says such a thing unless there is some brain damage going on. Whilst I think there is a place for the disabled in the workplace, I am myself, you should make sure they are competent enough to do the job, he isn't nor are many if they don't understand basic biology. I won't be voting for someone incompetent, I wouldn't employ a dyslexic to write a dictionary either.

I pity his daughter being brought up in a household with that old great grandfather with his backwards thinking when he deems himself down with the kids!

As far as I am concerned charities and politicians should be so great at their job they make themselves redundant in a charity and have little to do as a politician, as they would solve the problems, yet they don't solve problems ever do they?

The GRA created problems that know it all labour are unable to even comprehend. They sacrificed women and children for the GRA they worship created by Lammy (who decreed that men can grow a cervix) and Blair - the all knowing God's!