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Nicola Sturgeon’s final address -I’ve had more toxic abuse over trans rights than any other

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 21/03/2023 08:50

Nicola Sturgeon on her final speech as Scottish leader- women should ‘relearn how to disagree’ - it’s a very odd speech which blames the backlash on a very unpopular policy which was being pushed through without the consent of the people.

“I’ve had more toxic abuse, on this issue, much of it from women claiming to care about women’s rights and women’s safety than I have from probably any other issue,” she said.
“All of us need to take a step back and reflect on that.
“We can disagree and obviously do disagree but whether it’s on this issue or other issues, we need to relearn how to disagree in a way that is civilised and respectful and brings a bit of good faith back into some of these debates.”

uk.news.yahoo.com/sturgeon-ive-had-more-toxic-024911951.html

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TheBiologyStupid · 21/03/2023 19:40

Wholeheartedly echo this❤️👍🏿

Trip trap, trip trap, over the rickety bridge....

TheBiologyStupid · 21/03/2023 19:47

"I’ve sat in rooms with young trans kids talking to me about wanting to kill themselves because of the stigma and the discrimination and the inability to be recognised for who they are.”

I wonder how many detransitioners she's sat in rooms with?

MaireadMcSweeney · 21/03/2023 19:56

TheBiologyStupid · 21/03/2023 19:47

"I’ve sat in rooms with young trans kids talking to me about wanting to kill themselves because of the stigma and the discrimination and the inability to be recognised for who they are.”

I wonder how many detransitioners she's sat in rooms with?

And how many women???

TheBiologyStupid · 21/03/2023 20:23

Yes, that too of course.

SirChenjins · 21/03/2023 20:55

Gillian Sturgeon is as bonkers as Nicky - the gene pool is obviously quite murky on that side (as well as not quite be abe to grasp what exactly is cast…)

BoreOfWhabylon · 22/03/2023 00:07

RealFeminist · 21/03/2023 19:32

DINNAE FORGET THE BABY BOXES

No One Puts Baby In The Box

SinnerBoy · 22/03/2023 05:07

“We can disagree and obviously do disagree but whether it’s on this issue or other issues, we need to relearn how to disagree in a way that is civilised and respectful and brings a bit of good faith back into some of these debates.”

What an absolute steaming pile of mince from her. What an arrogant hypocrite she is, all she did was smear women who disagreed with her, as sexist, transphobic racists. She has the mother of all brass necks. Does she really lack the self-awareness to understand the utter dishonesty of her words?

Literally nobody was allowed to dissent from her edicts.

EfingNora · 22/03/2023 07:00

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 21/03/2023 11:19

“I’ve sat in rooms with young trans kids talking to me about wanting to kill themselves because of the stigma and the discrimination and the inability to be recognised for who they are.”

Nobody would ever want kids to feel this way or to be treated nastily, with stigma or discriminatorily, but if a young male person is genuinely feeling suicidal at being expected to use the male toilets, I would gently suggest that there is a lot of vulnerability there that needs compassionate help and care, far beyond and in no way addressed by any automatic decision to take basic human rights away from other people in order to add them on to the (same) existing ones that the vulnerable person already has.

Of course sex-based facilities are 'discriminatory' on one level: with the exception of very young children with their parent, NO male is allowed in the women's facilities; equally NO female is allowed in the men's facilities - but there ARE facilities for everybody.

Differentiation in this way is only a bad thing when it leaves some people with fewer rights than other people; not when they have absolutely equal rights but facilitated in a different (still equal) way that is appropriate to their own circumstances.

Taking it to an absurd level, I can't claim abuse and stigma because there are tens of millions of NI numbers out there that I am being wilfully denied the right to ever use - because each person only needs (and qualifies for) one, meaning that I have my own exclusive one, just like everybody else does; the individual digits are neither here nor there, even if I did decide that I 'should have' a '4' in there somewhere rather than a '9' that 'doesn't truly represent who I am' for some bizarre arbitrary reason.

Now you mention it I WANT A DIFFERENT NI NUMBER!!! Mine has lots of 4s and I identify as a 7.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 22/03/2023 08:12

She must have been startled by the sound and sight of all those actual women repeatedly committing wrong think outside Holyrood at the FWS rallies. And inside Holyrood with the shouting out over this bill. I bet she assumed it was fine because her silo was fine with it. And then a merkin said no.

senua · 22/03/2023 08:45

“We can disagree and obviously do disagree but whether it’s on this issue or other issues, we need to relearn how to disagree in a way that is civilised and respectful and brings a bit of good faith back into some of these debates.”
This from the SNP who, under Sturgeon, introduced a policy that "No member shall, within or outwith the parliament, publicly criticise a group decision, policy or another member of the group.”

Is this a case of "when I'm in charge you'll do what I say but when I'm not in charge I demand the right to heckle from the sidelines".

JacquelinePot · 22/03/2023 08:48

"There is no other group in society where we take the behaviour of a tiny minority and use it to deny rights to that group."

There is no other group in society which claims - and the State attempts to make us believe - to be the opposite of what they actually are.

Tabitha1960 · 22/03/2023 08:49

"There is no other group in society where we take the behaviour of a tiny minority and use it to deny rights to that group."

Nonsense. We even use it to deny rights to other groups.

No British woman has ever taken a bomb onto a plane. I am a British woman and yet every time I took a flight I had to take off my shoes, go through an X ray machine and have all my luggage x-rayed, and had my bottle of water confiscated, keep my shampoo down to 100ml, and on a few occasions I was even patted down by security and had my suitcase opened and thoroughly searched in front of all the other passengers, which is humiliating and embarassing as well as stressful and timewasting.

FrancescaContini · 22/03/2023 08:52

JacquelinePot · 22/03/2023 08:48

"There is no other group in society where we take the behaviour of a tiny minority and use it to deny rights to that group."

There is no other group in society which claims - and the State attempts to make us believe - to be the opposite of what they actually are.

Couldn’t agree more.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 22/03/2023 10:21

Or by 'toxicity' does she just mean 'women disagreeing with me'?

I'm surprised that she didn't go the whole hog and call it 'literal violence'.

It's already been noted in dictionaries that, in modern times, the word 'literally' is now widely used to mean one of the following:

  1. Literally
  2. Not literally

In the same way, 'violence' is now used to mean 'in no way being violent, but rather objecting to my threats of violence towards you'.

It does seem that, in this post-truth era, meanings of words are now defined by 'whatever is most expedient to the person/group shouting the loudest - even if the exact opposite of the 'traditional' meaning'.

We used to laugh when Baldrick defined a cat as 'not a dog'; but now modern life has caught up with and overtaken comedy in its absurd self-parody. In fact, Baldrick would now be expected to refine his definition of cat as 'not a cat' - or otherwise be cancelled as an evil bigot spewing 'actual violence'.

ChateauMargaux · 22/03/2023 12:36

Wow... that is powerful statement, it has struck a cord with me.

"we need to relearn how to disagree in a way that is civilised and respectful and brings a bit of good faith back into some of these debates".

I have been in a number of situations recently where I have found my disagreement being met with judgement of this type.. that my disagreement is wrong, because it is not agreement and that the only right way to disagree is to come round to agreeing and to walk away but only after having publicly stated that I have received information that has made me change my opinion, when the information given was not sufficient to change my opinion.

DdraigGoch · 22/03/2023 23:33

we need to relearn how to disagree in a way that is civilised and respectful and brings a bit of good faith back into some of these debates

I think that this is the first thing that she's ever said that I actually agree with.

Waits impatiently for the Cybernats and TRAs to take heed

howmanybicycles · 22/03/2023 23:39

It's not respectful or civilised to use the "recognised for who they are" propoganda in order to justify removing sex-based protections Nicky I recognise that trans people believe they are, or want to be, the opposite sex from that which they biologically are. I recognise that for some people this is highly distressing. That does not make it so though. It's disrespectful to use this kind of hyperbole and not bother to recognise that your emotive point depends on 'not recognising who women are' because in order for a TW to have anything more in common with me than every other male does, you have to force some nebulous, regressive gender identity on me. Fuck of Nicola. Fuck right off.

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