Nicola Sturgeon’s final address -I’ve had more toxic abuse over trans rights than any other

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Nicola Sturgeon on her final speech as Scottish leader- women should ‘relearn how to disagree’ - it’s a very odd speech which blames the backlash on a very unpopular policy which was being pushed through without the consent of the people.

“I’ve had more toxic abuse, on this issue, much of it from women claiming to care about women’s rights and women’s safety than I have from probably any other issue,” she said.
“All of us need to take a step back and reflect on that.
“We can disagree and obviously do disagree but whether it’s on this issue or other issues, we need to relearn how to disagree in a way that is civilised and respectful and brings a bit of good faith back into some of these debates.”

uk.news.yahoo.com/sturgeon-ive-had-more-toxic-024911951.html

Since she does not know what a woman is, it’s hard to take her seriously when she’s rebuking women.

I'm honestly starting to wonder what kind of a bubble she has been kept in.

But then any TQ+ political lobby member who went near her would have been on their best behaviour, she will have only encountered the very well marketed image and a lot of emotive anecdotes.

I would have assumed that she actually read some of the consultation responses (if it was not the case that every single one doing anything but sealion clapping was binned as disgusting filthy bigotry) and has seen the kind of social media sewage of ugly threats and incoherent misogynist rage that emanates from said lobby.

But I'm quite suspicious now that she's been bubblewrapped away from all this nasty reality stuff. And this is the problem with those who believe in reality being created from the nice bits you like, and shouting and scolding anyone who reminds you of the bits you've blocked out.

The first requirement for someone in a position of responsibility has to be to be able to cope with reality and to have a grip on it.

She has created a specially exempt class for safeguarding.

As Nicola believes TWAW she must be referring to the sort of 'women' that have a cock and balls and all the toxic abuse they spew no?

One interesting, and quite scary, thing I’ve thought about after all of this, is that if they had accepted just one amendment to the GRR that stopped sex offenders from being included in self-id, she may well still be in a job. That small amendment may have made the whole idea of removing women as a sex-class palatable enough to get it through.

Totally agree @IWilloBeACervix so in some ways I'm glad they kept pushing to get the whole thing through as they did as it has really highlighted a load of issues. Had they not been so stubborn and actually bothered to listen they would probably have got most of it through. Instead now more people are paying closer attention and I can't see GRR or independence happening any time soon. That's Sturgeon's legacy. A bit like Cameron actually, she's achieved almost the exact opposite of what she set out to do.

Didn't she hurl names at women who want to keep a category of women for just biological women? So, she's the one who was dishing out toxic abuse? She is a loathsome and arrogant woman. She makes my skin crawl.

That exactly what I didn’t get as well. When the amendments were going through they really shot themselves in the foot by not smoothing them edges a bit didn’t they. I didn’t get it at the time because if they had taken a couple of amendments - namely the 16 year old one and the sex offenders one - they would have smoothed the edges and it would probably stand. So happy they didn’t because they have brought the whole thing crashing down. But again, the sheer arrogance and belief that leaving these in place would be ok is mindblowing.

Most sex offenders are never caught though so I'm not sure who it would be more palatable for unless most people are living with their heads in the clouds and unaware of that fact.

Yes, I agree.

Isla Bryson seemed to come as something of a shock to her. Not to anyone else, obvs.

You'd have to be really bloody gullible though and live in a bubble to not know about cross dressers. Even if you thought they were few and far between, and trans ideology was real.

I think you did a cracking job hen.

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For “toxic,” read “saying something I don’t agree with.”

I’m sure she has been subjected to abuse; show me a politician (particularly a female one) that hasn’t been. Plenty of nutters out there.

Whether the real abuse was coming from women who opposed self ID… well that I don’t buy.

THANK YOU I AM GLAD TO HAVE RAISED THE PROFILE OF RAPISTGENDER THROUGHOUT THE WORDL AND HOPEFULLY DONE MY BIT FOR WOMEN

Hmm that is quite an optimistic take on a clearly entitled and unreflective woman, but I applaud your hope.

I have tried to understand the out-of-proportion rage responses on this issue from trans activists, from some transgender people, and from those who have promoted that side of this issue.

On top of the usual explanations for that rage I'd add, for those who are pushing the agenda, the possibility that on some deeper level (at least) they know that what trans activists demand will come out of women's rights, our ability to politically organise, our words, our spaces, our victories and awards, and our relative standing in the world. Even the very basic way we define ourselves is now deemed bigotry.

They have chosen their side but they still don't want to be reminded of the choice they made. On another thread commenters mentioned how some young women and girls who are very TWAW burst into tears when these issues are debated, and that made me think that a similar reason might be behind both the tears and the rage:

Anyone who really thinks these things through will find that there is an inherent clash of demands for rights and existing rights here, and that's an uncomfortable place to be (I know, as that's were I have been for ten years now).

Spot on!

There's a word for someone who provides women in their power as victims for male perpetrators to assault. Its on the tip of my tongue.

IS IT UN SPECIAL RAPPORRTER

Wonder what kind of "women" "claiming" to care about "women's rights" she's referring to!! Impossible to know these days!

Nicola, when I have the time and energy I'm sure I, or someone like me, will trawl though your proclamations on this matter. You made it very clear, if memory serves me, that right from the straight you weren't debating with those you saw as "bigots". You made this toxic.... You stood by and watched the death and rape threats towards Joanna Cherry and YOU NEVER CONDEMNED IT ONCE. Even when the police were involved. Your team Nicola. Your people.

But let's face it, you only really cared about self ID because you really needed the lunatic Greens. And what you are really really angry about is you looked like such a buffoon on that tele interview when you couldn't even call a rapist a man. Oh you were perfect Nicola, you will serve as a warning to all a Westminster about how this can destroy credibility. Thank you Nicola.
That's your legacy, that's what people will remember. Oh how you must cringe, and you deserve that. You betrayer of women.

But the thing is this is all another distraction, though, isn't it? Your parting shot blaming the witches.
Because you've a lot of real questions you should be facing. How did the SNP lose such a huge number of members? Was that over self ID? Why did your husband lie about it?
Why is Scotland no closer to Independence?
Have the police got involved over those loans yet? You know, the really weird ones?
Oh you got away with trying to stitch up your predecessor. That all stank. "Didn't talk about it with your husband though..... "
Hmm.

I look forward to the books about your reign, Nicola. Sure to be interesting.

And remember these witches don't burn.

Diddums....😇

Haven't read the no doubt glorious thread yet but this sounds typical of Sturgeon. Nothing is ever her fault and if it is likely her fault she doesn't remember it, so it can't be.
Never been so glad to see the back of a politician...

Does anyone have a link to the video of women singing in a Glaswegian pub For Women’s Rights (to the tune of Auld Lang Syne)? It was at the end of Let Women Speak Glasgow and I want another listen while reading over Nicola's farewell.

DINNAE FORGET THE BABY BOXES

Perhaps Sturgeon's internalised misogyny has been a long time in the making?

I was sure this was parody when it started showing up on SM with people claiming it's NS's sister's FB account; but apparently it's legit. The out and out misogynist dogwhistling is stunning, not just in the post itself ("Feeeeemales!"), but in the comments. 🤦 Strong “a man must be always be leading the feminists; stupid old women cannot organise themselves” vibes in the endless, boring, stale Alex Salmond bellyaching. (Kids: he’s not going to join The SNP, but if he wanted to do so his £ is as good as anyone else’s).

Also LOL that if we don't like puppets, we should vote for Humza! 😜

Of course NS can't help who she's related to, but it does make one wonder. What hope is there for democracy if THIS is a typical example of an adult voter's critical thinking skills, and at the same time we're still so utterly soaked in normalised, run-of-the-mill, day to day misogyny?