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Labour ‘must fix its trans stance to win the next election’ - party needs to clarify its policies to be closer to the public’s views on the debate

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IwantToRetire · 20/03/2023 00:37

Labour is trying to position itself as the party of the centre-ground of British politics. It has identified middle-aged, suburban women as a target demographic to win over ahead of the general election.

Labour strategists have studied polling that shows how a gender gap in voting has emerged since 2010, whereby women are on average more likely to vote Labour.

But the polling notes that Labour’s advantage is “specifically among women under 50”, while the Tories lead in women over 50.

It comes as a network of Labour activists and staffers prepares to relaunch itself next month as a think tank that will produce monthly reports on how the party can appeal to its target voters.

The organisation, called Labour Together, aims to come up with a raft of policy recommendations that reposition the party as “socially to the Right and economically to the Left”.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/18/labour-must-fix-trans-stance-win-next-election/

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MrGHardy · 06/05/2024 12:12

IwantToRetire · 20/03/2023 01:40

BreadInCaptivity Its a different article. Making a different point.

I pulled out the bits I thought most interesting.

You could read the article and see if there are points you find interesting.

For instance:

I find it sad that Labour not only thinks, but claims to have surveys, that say it is only older women who care about women's sex based rights, and that age group of women are less likely to vote for them.

From that they have concluded they can still be politically "left" (ha ha) but need to be socially conservative ie they think and believe they have evidence that only older women who are socially conservative care about women's sex based rights.

That's such a generalization though.

You can be overwhelmingly socially left, but because you reject gender ideology you are now a socially right party?

Shows how much the left care about this one issue (while ironically accusing the right of fighting a 'culture war').

misscockerspaniel · 06/05/2024 12:22

There is a piece in the Mail Online today about "18 demands" issued to Keir Starmer by a "Muslim vote group" said to be responsible for getting scores of councillors into office. If he does not agree to their demands, he can kiss their votes goodbye.

May be this is what we, women and women of Mumsnet, need to be doing.

Revealed: The '18 DEMANDS' Muslim Vote group issued to Keir Starmer after dozens of pro-Gaza activists were elected to councils across UK - from cutting military ties with Israel to 'ensuring insurance quotes don't cost more for someone called Muhammad' | Daily Mail Online

List of 18 DEMANDS that Muslim Vote group issued to Keir Starmer

The Muslim Vote has called Sir Keir Starmer to promise to cut military ties with Israel, allow prayer in school and stop people called 'Muhammad' being charged more for insurance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13386393/Muslim-vote-list-demands-Keir-Starmer-Labour-Gaza-Palestine.html

BoreOfWhabylon · 06/05/2024 12:48

Perhaps MNHQ could arrange another webchat with Starmer?

Dineasair · 06/05/2024 14:49

MrGHardy · 06/05/2024 12:12

That's such a generalization though.

You can be overwhelmingly socially left, but because you reject gender ideology you are now a socially right party?

Shows how much the left care about this one issue (while ironically accusing the right of fighting a 'culture war').

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Dineasair · 06/05/2024 14:55

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/03/2023 08:46

The metropolitan middle classes, and the youth, are now the core Labour vote

Which is why they are screwed and having to be nice to women of the boring old cunty type until the next GE. And why their lead in the polls may not translate into electoral victory. Their vote is highly concentrated into a small number of constituencies, and their core supporters skew young and therefore less likely to vote.

I don't think the Tories will hold the entire Red Wall, but I don't think it will return to Labour en masse either. There is not enough in Labour's current policies to appeal to a broad demographic, and the 'men can have cervixes' stuff makes them look ridiculous and untrustworthy, even to voters who don't care about women's rights.

If they had brainstormed for a year, I'm not sure they could have come up with a policy more likely to repel voters than rapists in women's prisons. Even the 'law and order, string them up' types hate it because it's giving rapists what they want. And yet Labour chose to vote against the amendment to the Scottish GRR that would have excluded rapists from self-ID. They have brought this on themselves.

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Dineasair · 06/05/2024 14:56

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/03/2023 10:48

Labour currently bans Karen Ingala Smith and many other women speaking on DV from basic party membership

When you have banned Karen I-S, and sacked Joan Smith- one of the country's foremost experts on VAWG - for wanting to centre VAWG (then refused to meet her, despite many promises to do so) then, guess what, Keir Starmer?

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Floisme · 06/05/2024 17:23

I think Karen Ingala Smith was finally allowed to join after - if my memory is correct - 4 or 5 attempts.

I applaud her determination and her resilience while having absolutely no intention of trying to rejoin myself.

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