Neil Kinnock's daughter in law's concerns about non-binary child's masectomy

[DerekFaker]

Denmark's first woman prime minister has spoken of her fears over her 23-year-old child's decision to have a double mastectomy after changing gender.

Helle Thorning-Schmidt – the daughter-in-law of former Labour grandees Neil and Glenys Kinnock – said she was concerned that Milo, previously known as Camilla, would no longer be able to breastfeed should children arrive on the scene.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11876703/amp/Mum-Neil-Kinnocks-granddaughter-reveals-fears-trans-son-gets-double-mastectomy.html

But she still thinks the operation was.a 'special' experience and that non binary is a 'cool place to be'.

She sounds quite nutty.

Ed Balls and Yvette Coopers son is now a drag queen.

I think being part of a family of politicians must screw you up

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11876739/EMILY-PRESCOTT-Ed-Balls-son-Joel-22-takes-stage-Princess-Diana-inspired-drag-queen.html

So sad that we live at a time when gender non-conforming and lesbian girls are encouraged to believe they're not women and that doctors are prepared to remove healthy breasts on request.

@DerekFaker screw you up or be a member of an incredibly privileged class? Lots of time to naval gaze & jump on the latest thing?

No wonder the Labour Party is generally so confused about this.

My first response was 'what a muppet'. I do feel for Helle though. Her child is now an adult, and I guess if she wants a relationship with them, she has to get on board. It's not the same as deciding that your 3 year old boy who plays with dolls is 'really a girl', or allowing your 13 year old to wear a breast binder

Surely if he's taking testosterone he won't be having a baby anyway so no need to breastfeed.

This, this every time.
I get sadder and angrier every time I read about another young woman voluntarily mutilating herself with complicit doctors. Where and how the fuck is this going to end/change?

I thought this line was interesting - the scars themselves now being an important part as this signify the transness

'I think the scars are pretty cool,' Milo said. 'My scars have many layers. On one hand, they show the world that I'm trans. I want to show that I'm trans and proud.'

Rather than being proud of being lesbian and/or gender non-conforming

Yes, that line about the scars and that very troubling line that keeps coming up again and again in these accounts, how liberating it is to be able to go swimming. They can only see their own body though the male gaze. They think breasts are for male sexual consumption, not a sensitive part of you, and to nourish the baby you can create.

Imagine hating your body so much that you would do that to yourself. That’s a mental health issue surely? I had a mastectomy for cancer, I cannot even get my head around going through that for no medical reason.

Breasts are only ever for the benefit of others. Men who like to look at them and babies who feed from them. They are a pain in the arse to have to carry round for most of a lifetime, waiting to fulfil their purpose (for many, becoming sore and painful in the process) and then harbour lumps which might kill you. Sometimes I’m surprised it has taken the invention of gender identity ideology for there to be a movement to remove them.

Breasts are a part of me,
not just something that others see,
Breasts shouldn’t be taken away,
by doctors who feel they can say,
that it’s good to take a part of me,
They aren’t broken, they aren’t to blame.
They are beautiful, and carry no shame.

That's a very interesting take but I disagree. The discomfort from being sexualised by men, especially as a younger woman with large breasts, is not the fault of breasts - it's the fault of men and society. Undergoing major surgery to fix that is horrible.

Breastfeeding is a wonderful thing, that I hope every woman who wants to can experience. It is a beautiful thing to nourish your own baby in such a close, natural, healthy way.

If your breasts become a problem, they can be removed but removing healthy breasts worries me.

I’m trying to imagine a senior politician talking about how they’ve realised that it’s actually quite “cool” to be anorexic. And participating in a podcast where their young adult child talks about their identity-affirming gastric band surgery.

I find it hard to believe that the only worry that the mother had with a double mastectomy being performed on her 23 child for cosmetic reasons was the future ability to breastfeed. What she really means is: it was the only worry she felt able to voice out loud.

Toxic social media and activist campaign groups have really done a number on our young people, aided and abetted by mantra-chanting political parties. The smartphone generation - or let’s face it, the pornphone generation - have been completely let down by parents and society.

They watched a children’s film the night before the surgery.

It’s all so sad.

I suspect the reason that so many politicians - of all colour - are so invested in this is because they have young family members who have been caught up in the gender craze.

I disagree completely! Breasts are an erogenous zone. They can give immense pleasure. There are women who can reach orgasm from nipple stimulation alone.

I think it is tremendously sad that young women, girls even, are getting their breasts removed before they even have chance to experience fully what they might be capable of.

Scars have become a symbol if identity - in the same way that tatoos have.
It's really quite disturbing that self harm has become such an open and public badge of belonging.

I know girls have always ( well, as long as the internet has been around) used pro-ana websites and other self harm sites as a way of finding their tribe - though now these acts of self harm and self hatred are validated by responsibile adults and even by the NHS.

What a complete FAIL of feminism this thread is.

Read the fucking title out loud and have a word with yourselves.

"Denmark's first woman prime minister" has been relegated to "Neil Kinnock's daughter in law" and the person who actually had the mastectomy - is relegated to being the accessory of a political family.

And all those of you posting who didn't pick it up - shame on you.

Your GC views and anti-Labour mindset are your prerogative. But you are not feminists.

I agree that this explains labour’s mixed messages position on this. Pressure not just from labour members but labour mp’s and former grandees.
it worries me that labour policy makers may well be influenced like this. You have to look at bigger picture and wider society and not be influenced by personal stories when making policy.

To be fair to the OP this was how the Daily Fail couched the story but it is crap that Helle is reduced to being Neil Kinnock’s DIL.

As for the rest it’s just rather sad!

I suggest you are looking for offence. And the berating, angry tone achieves nothing.

I think most of us don't require instruction on the ways in which women have been marginalised and oppressed. We know it intimately.

The main topic is the removal of the breasts of healthy young women, and that is what is being focused upon. What do you have to say about that issue?

We are all women ( well, most). Wheth you use the label 'feminist' or not is irrelevant. Feminism means differnt things to differnt people. To me it simply means paying attention to, and to listening to women's voices and experiences, and thinking they matter.

To be fair it’s a British newspaper so clearly they’ll go with the British connection ( Neil kinnock) rather than the danish one ( former danish pm)
but I get your general point mark.

There's no need to use abusive language. The OP was merely flagging a UK connection.

Nothing wrong with being gender critical and to be frank Labour would want to wake up on this issue.

I write from Scotland where today Nicola Sturgeon is waking up to a career and party in tatters and an electorate voting accordingly.