Neil Kinnock's daughter in law's concerns about non-binary child's masectomy

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Denmark's first woman prime minister has spoken of her fears over her 23-year-old child's decision to have a double mastectomy after changing gender.

Helle Thorning-Schmidt – the daughter-in-law of former Labour grandees Neil and Glenys Kinnock – said she was concerned that Milo, previously known as Camilla, would no longer be able to breastfeed should children arrive on the scene.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11876703/amp/Mum-Neil-Kinnocks-granddaughter-reveals-fears-trans-son-gets-double-mastectomy.html

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Some women being the exception to biological norms, doesn't make the norm any less the norm either. When nipples are stimulated, they send signals to the genital sensory cortex region of the homuncular map. Our brains are wired to achieve the same intense stimulation from our breasts as from our clitoris and cervix.

Do you really think the words used to described the ex Danish PM and her relationship to a British politician is the bigger issue here?

Yes, I do, as a matter of fact. Years and years of progress rolled back and everyone is so focussed on the side show they barely notice.

This is standard press formatting, that a link to the most famous person is the angle in the headline. I think your rather stupid assertion that women need to be given different treatment to men in press reporting is the non feminist issue. You actually can't see equal treatment when is on large letters.

Describing this young persons self harm as a side show reveals your incoherent priorities for what you want women to think.

I'm guessing he's 40 going on the year in the username!

We are all still women.
Who are? What common factor does the group of people you describe as 'women' have?

What common factor does the group of people you describe as 'women' have?

We're born female, and among the other physical changes that happen to girls at puberty we develop breasts that can lactate - so we're women. It's not difficult.

Back in the old days feminists questioned all sorts of assumptions especially about those"biological norms". Erotogenic breasts were as open to question as vaginal orgasms. Unusual is not abnormal, and I wouldn't even bet on what is "usual".

After all these years I still despise people telling me how to be a woman.

When nipples are stimulated, they send signals to the genital sensory cortex region of the homuncular map. Our brains are wired to achieve the same intense stimulation from our breasts as from our clitoris and cervix.

There's a difference between "intense" and "pleasurable" and if it works out the same for you, that's nice. Hopefully the rest of us women can muddle along without either needing therapy or deciding to cut our tits off. Being recognised as having an equally valid ohsyical experience of womanhood helps, and telling women based on dodgy evidence that they are "the exception to biological norms" doesn't help.

It can help or not help deciding on your own reaction. But the fact is that nipple stimulation activates the genital sensory cortex and they are an errogenous zone akin to the clitoris. Not every woman experiences clitoral pleasure either. That doesn't mean it's not the biological norm. It's just a fact and pretending that facts aren't facts because some people feel bad when presented with them, is a huge part of why we are in this mess.

@MumOfYoungTransAdult no worries. Never sure what ppl mean by "woman"!

The fact is that nipple stimulation activates the genital sensory cortex and they are an errogenous zone akin to the clitoris.

You have modern expertise in the field of human sexual response that I lack.

It can help or not help deciding on your own reaction.

My reaction is not the issue. I'm far too old to try to buy myself out of expectations about "normal" by becoming nonbinary or trans.

But with these expectations declared as facts about normal responses, and a failure to meet expectations that I never even had now labelled as an abnormality, that's a high bar for "normal" womanhood. I do pity young people nowadays.

It's a fact that has been recorded in brain mapping studies. Object all you want but that doesn't change it.

It does interest me that the daughter and granddaughter of two prominent Labour members has cut off her mammaries, given Kier Starmer's swithering on the value of such action. It's all so emperors new clothes. Although the family are putting on a brave face, we don't know how they really feel.

If he wants to @Mark19735 could start a thread about the Daily Mail referring to a successful woman as someone's daughter in law. But that's not what is being discussed here.

@MNHQ first time I have been sensored in twenty years.
Unless you have walked in the heart breaking shoes of someone who has a trans child you know nothing.
It is the hardest task of parenting I know.
It has broken my family.
I thought munsnet was for a balanced view. Seems not.

Are there really no full discussions had with these people before they voluntarily mutilate themselves?
It's kind of hard to see how you'd get from demanding a double mastectomy, to feeling devastated that you can't breastfeed as a consequence.

The whole story just swerves between sad and bonkers.

• worries about him not being able to breastfeed - that's the least of your problem here. And there's something called formula.

• 70% of the reason I did this is to go swimming? WTAF. As someone who spends half their time by a pool I see no logic to this and even in the UK men are increasingly wearing rash vests. Get a grip. What next I grew a penis so I could go fishing?

This is major surgery distorting everything that is natural about a body. It's just so sad. People like Jordan/Katie Price get ridiculed for their surgeries yet this is brave?!

Agree with @Pearfacebananapoop it is a sad and bonkers situation. But we can't assume the UK is immune, this is coming to us too. When gender doctors say "respect for nonbinary identities" this is what they mean.

Those discussions that @ReadersD1gest and most ordinary people take for granted are not seen by all as respectful to nonbinary identities so no, they might not happen. As the article that @FannyCann linked shows. Or if they happen at all then not to the depth that they need to happen to avoid very serious regrets in future.

Combined with the lack of proper sex education leaving kids with the vague impression that they can change sex, regrow breasts or whatever else, this disaster is likely to play out for quite some time.