Neil Kinnock's daughter in law's concerns about non-binary child's masectomy

[DerekFaker]

Denmark's first woman prime minister has spoken of her fears over her 23-year-old child's decision to have a double mastectomy after changing gender.

Helle Thorning-Schmidt – the daughter-in-law of former Labour grandees Neil and Glenys Kinnock – said she was concerned that Milo, previously known as Camilla, would no longer be able to breastfeed should children arrive on the scene.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11876703/amp/Mum-Neil-Kinnocks-granddaughter-reveals-fears-trans-son-gets-double-mastectomy.html

Many of us are actually ex Labour party members. So give your head a wobble.

Quite a few FtM have babies eg Freddie McConnell - I assume they stop testosterone for the duration to avoid potential harm to the baby but I think there are cases where the young woman didn't realise she could get pregnant as she thought she was a man.

Then there are detransitioners.

This is n excellent paper discussing a particular case of a woman who detransitioned and was devastated that she couldn't breastfeed, as well as having to navigate unhelpful and judgemental healthcare.

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2023.1073053/full

Neil Kinnock's daughter in law means something to us Brits (it's a UK site used by people from all around the World, but largely the UK). I assume that's why it's in the title rather than anything else. It's context, not a conspiracy.

I think this is someone new to feminism - and so is still in the performative stage. And saying " fuck" a lot shows just how angry you are.

How novel to have a man coming on here to put us women right. That must be the first time ever on MN. My humble thanks. (extreme sarcasm)

I'm assuming you are a man op.

This also applies in other situations, eg Liz Kendall MP has had a baby via surrogacy and this informs many of her associate MP's attitudes to surrogacy.

Particularly pertinent as the Law Commission have recently confirmed that they will be publishing their report on the surrogacy law consultation of 2019 along with a draft bill for parliament on Wednesday March 29th. Look out for it.

I'd say Nicola Sturgeon is saying fuck a lot at the moment. Probably aot of travel irons flying around too 😁

I meant the op of that post, not THE OP.

I’d be more worried about the effect on the baby of the mother previously taking male sex hormones at levels not normal for a female body.

look at the effect alcohol has on a foetus. Look at the effect male hormones had on East German female athletes in the 1980s.

Im surprised the ex politician thought the issue of breastfeeding was most important.

in the bigger picture breastfeeding surely is only a small part of being a mother. So many mothers have had guilt and stress over breastfeeding.

@Mark19735 I, like many on here, am a former Labour party member, and a British voter, not Danish. The headline doesn't mention Kinnock's son either - you know, the current Labour MP, and a man. The most immediate aspect of this story to UK voters is the connection to the former Labour Party leader here in the UK.

Sad that Milo, like Right-wing Conservatives, thinks that one's gender identity is linked to what body they have.

Thanks for the mansplaining @Mark19735

Women are just all round failures aren't they? Can't even get feminism right without a man in charge.

"Swimming is probably 70 per cent of the reason why I got this surgery,' he said,"

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8412429/

"Testosterone has teratogenic effects; specifically it can cause abnormal urogenital development in a female fetus. Therefore, testosterone should not be used while attempting conception or during pregnancy."

Honestly, I have sympathy with Thorning-Schmidt and the Kinnocks. The same toxic social media that promotes trans/NB also heavily promotes children going NC with families who express any doubts about transition. I actually think Thorning-Schmidt is being quite brave to admit to having any doubts at all.

"Denmark's first woman prime minister" has been relegated to "Neil Kinnock's daughter in law"

I was a bit surprised to discover that his daughter in law is Denmark's prime minister, but then I think that's mainly their way of making the story relevant to the UK and the Labour Party in particular.

That's not my perspective on mine!
My nipples are more sensitive than my clit - and my clit serves no purpose at all other than sexual pleasure but I am not having that removed either!
I suppose if there was an operation that could reduce size without affecting nipple sensitivity I might be tempted ... large can be annoying for clothes. But I can rest my cake plate on them so I'd miss that

The focus on breastfeeding is odd. That's the least of your problems if you're electing for a double mastectomy!

Sort of lost me there. To the outside, it just comes across strange. There are no grandchildren, and not breastfeeding isn't a big deal.

The BIG DEAL is that it's an irreversible decision to remove healthy breasts from a long female and presumably there is a concern that the non binary thing could be a phase, leading to massive regret - and the ramifications of that.

@ArcticSkewer The function as a place to rest a side plate of cake/mug of tea is a useful one!

Breasts play a very significant role in our immune system as breast tissue is comprised in part of myeloid and lymphoid immune cells. So no, they aren't just for the benefit of others. Which is frankly a very, very, very weird fucking take.

In addition to that, for most women, breasts are a source of significant sexual pleasure. Plenty of women, around 1 in 8, can orgasm from breast play alone. As they are loaded with nerve endings associated with sexual arousal.

”I can rest my cake plate on them so I'd miss that”

ArcticSkewer you win comment of the day. Also I can’t rest a cake plate on mine so I’m now faintly jealous.

100% our DD was very nonconfirming/gender neutral at 15/16 now full on girly girl. Would have been devastated if she had wanted her breasts cut off. I also really hate the term "top surgery" - it really diminishes the reality of what it is radical mastectomy

I never thought I'd be glad not to have a daughter but I kind of am now. I was always a tomboy and am still somewhat gender non-conforming. My mum is the same. I'd likely have a daughter with similar traits and I'd be terrified of her getting caught up in this. I keep thinking back to my own teens and wondering if I'd have gotten caught up in it or managed to have stayed clear. And I honestly don't know which would have happened. I've always been super maternal so that would have been a protective factor. My mother pointing out that I wouldn't be able to breastfeed after a mastectomy probably would have put me off wanting one.

But I worry a lot about my extended family. I have a cousin slightly younger than Milo who is a lesbian and is more and more adopting that 'transmasc' look. She has a number of friends who all look identical and joke on SM all the time about being boys. She used to say she wanted to be a boy all the time when she was a young child though seemed to grow out of that as a teenager. I'm very worried for her as I know how 'contagious' this can be and just hope that she's old enough to be less influenced.

I have a cousin on the other side of my family who is now a "transman." She's 16 and her mother seems to be fully on board with it. She was never even a little bit non gender confirming as a child. So this has come out of nowhere. I just hope that her transition is entirely social and not medicated. But even binding can cause irreversible damage to breast tissue. And we all know that social transition so often leads to medication.

Non binary transmasculine. Uses male pronouns. What?