'Front hole'

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I was googling info about vaginal HRT tonight and came accross a medical article referring to a 'front hole'. This is apparently a 'gender affirming term' (as opposed to euphemistic three year old speak.)

Agree!

And not just non-native English speakers. Many poorly educated girls and women may also be at risk because they can't understand warnings for "front hole" owners, "cervix havers" etc. This can lead them to miss symptoms of serious illness

@crosstalk Yes this! Mainstream services with plain, sex based language for the majority of the population, and specialist services for the minority that need it, with whatever language is deemed most appropriate after consultation with that group. Surely that is true inclusivity, rather than trying to change the language and services used by the majority in a way that doesn't really benefit anyone.

I read something similar produced by Stonewall a while back. Insulting and offensive.

That's awful!

As a child I had no idea what my genitals were called. I had a name for boy's ones, I knew they had a penis. In the end I used front bottom as I really had no idea what else to call it.

I personally think it's terrible that young girls grow up without the vocabulary to describe their own bodies. My children know that people have either a penis or a vulva.

Front hole is just such a degrading term. It defines it in terms of what is not there rather than what is.

They might at least be accurate. The vagina is not the 'front hole', the urethra is. Degrading, anyway. Yuk mega yuk.

Front hole atrophy would be a great punk band name, though

It’s a porn term and carries with it the idea that a woman had three holes that the man can use interchangeably with the main intent of humiliating her.

It’s also a denial of the importance of clitoris, eggs, and the whole creation of life thing. A male supremacist concept, basically.

Disappointing to see some naive idiot signing off on this. I’ve definitely seen other misogynist porn terms used in mainstream publications by journalists who clearly don’t know what they mean.

Yup!

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They don't count as the Important People that Inclusive Language is aimed at Including.

If either of my sons ever dared to use the term 'front hole' in reference to a woman I would tear them to shreds.

No man or woman who has any respect for women would use such a term.

That is the language of nasty, slimy things floating on the surface of a stagnant civilisation.

Or disabled people, people who need direct and accurate language, rather than language that requires someone to guess the intent and context of the use of a vague term like front hole

Don’t be insulting, my three year old calls it a vagina 😂

I do sympathise if someone finds a particular term distressing, but that’s their issue to seek support with isn’t it. Possibly medical staff working with them can adapt their language to suit their needs. It doesn’t mean medical and accurate language should be altered on resources.

Even using the argument of inclusion for trans people, I can’t see how avoiding the name of a body part is helpful. Surely working towards acceptance of the reality of your sex is better than re-naming a body part to dissociate yourself from the reality that you have that body part. Also I thought body parts don’t equal gender??

Front hole is about as offensive as it gets. Language matters more than ever in medicine, where our biological sex affects our differing health needs. Clear, professional, factual language that is easily understood by all is absolutely essential. I have no problem with doctors creating leaflets with de-gendered words to give to trans and non binary patients on request. Just don’t make this so-called inclusive language the default! It’s offensive, demeaning, and it’s confusing, especially to people who may not speak English as their first language.

Still, this makes us have new insults about people talking from their back hole etc.

Do all groups get the right to dominate our common language this way? For instance, do people with PTSD have the right to erase triggering words from the language health care providers use?

And suppose that I am deeply hurt when I see posters in hospitals about uterus-havers because they turn my identity into one body part and so dehumanise me. Can I then demand change in those terms?

This whole thing needs to be beaten back - no concessions, no pandering.

"If you don't want to hear me to use the proper terms then you have the option to go home, get sicker and possibly die. If accurate language is more scary than death, be my guest".

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This is so true.
Though I think the issue may be more about transmen being triggered by having vaginas, rather than transwomen hzving vagina envy.

Something that occurred to me very recently us that females tend to identify out of womanhood not explicitly into manhood: they hang around with other transmen rather than biological men, and they don't embrace all the stereotypical man stuff like football, farting, beer, fast cars etc.
Whereas males tend to identify into womanhoodbut not out of manhood: they embrace make-up, high heels, giggling and getting emotional about kittens, but are still quite happy with their male body and penis.

That's interesting but I'm not sure it's true. I'm always fascinated by how so many young tens men look like footballers sit slouched in chairs legs apart in the classic manspread. Very boys n' banter.

"Though I think the issue may be more about transmen being triggered by having vaginas..."

Agree completely and was talking purely about the women who want to be men.

That said, it's two sides of the same coin. Men who want to be women don't want is talking about vaginas because they know it excludes them, and women who want to be men don't want us talking about vaginas because they know it includes them.

In both scenarios the problem isn't so much the words themselves, it's the fact that we're distinguishing between the semester. If we all adopted 'front hole', that would be the next verboten term.

Semester?! Sexes! Stupid autocarrot

Yes, I agree they adopt stereotypical male mannersims and posturing. But they don't actually play the football do they? And they don't typically have friendship groups with lots of other men, but with other transpeople. Whereas transwomen will typically seek to be friends with all females rather than a big social group of transwomen.

Your "transference" stuff is spot on!

I hadn't thought about it before, but you are right on the nose with it.