'Front hole'

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I was googling info about vaginal HRT tonight and came accross a medical article referring to a 'front hole'. This is apparently a 'gender affirming term' (as opposed to euphemistic three year old speak.)

LOL. Now kindly put that picture away out of my sight....

Discreetly, that is.

To address your questions regarding Evoril Conti -

Many do not get on with transdermal patches, they are not the most effective delivery method and the adhesive can be an irritant. From memory, they come in two strengths. Even so, these strengths might not work for all. Many opt for gels and creams as they give the user greater control over the level of hormone and are a more effective delivery system. Dosages tend to be changed if symptoms do not go away - the correct levels a person needs is unique to the individual.

Patches will have little to no effect on vaginal atrophy, ditto creams and gels. Oestrogen that is specifically for atrophy needs to be delivered directly to the vaginal tissue. It is a far lower dose. I disagree with some of the information given on the FOLX site - vaginal pessaries are inserted immediately before one goes to sleep - it will have dissolved by the morning. They do not weaken condoms.

I have been taking HRT since 2018 and at no point ever has anyone looked at my vagina apart from when I have a smear. It was during a smear my suspicions were confirmed that my vagina had atrophied. I told my women's health (private) doctor (who then prescribed Vagifem), something I still use bi-weekly.

Personally, I would recommend talking to a specialist because relying on your GP is a lottery at best - many have no idea about HRT. Maybe start with Louise Newson's website. She specialises in women's health and HRT, so she will have the most up-to-date information. And that's the other issue, there's so little no research, that much of the current information is based on old research/HRT.

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Mangina is better isn't it?
Like Old Greg in the Mighty Boosh

for reference

It doesn't even really make sense! Front hole could refer to the urethra or the vagina

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They probably don't even know it is there. They'll think we pee via our vaginas, because they only have one "tube" for sex and piddle, so obviously we women (lower down the evolutionary scale as we are) can't possibly have a more sophisticated anatomy.

@Utini

I agree to a point, unfortunately that language has now spread to the NHS and language regarding female specific health issues is now muddled with objectified language reducing women to functions rather than having a health issue only women can have.

I want to be seen by the NHS as more than a menstruator or 'person with a cervix' those things have a word attached to the definition and it's woman.

Your reply actually is replicable with woman, a section of society that have their own terms. So trans people want their language changed because it makes them uncomfortable that's..whatever..but then shouldn't female anatomy be protected in the same way that it is for them?

But of course. Women are simply a selection of holes for men to insert parts of themselves into.

@Fromwetome Yes I've seen some of the changes to the NHS website, and smear test invites that have been posted here which don't even use the word woman. I absolutely disagree with that and the changes need to be rolled back as not using plain language in medical literature can cost lives.

I also don't think the general population should have to change the language they've always used in referring to themselves as men / women, and nor should they have to refer to trans women as women etc.

I just can't get worked up about the example I commented on, which appears to be literature aimed solely at trans people using the terms that trans people want to use, even if it's a term I personally find distasteful.

According to Feminist Current less than a year ago:

New guidance from Sussex health authorities suggests midwives stop using proper words for female anatomy, such as “vagina” and “breast milk,” to avoid upsetting trans-identified patients. The NHS guidance provides a “My Language Preferences” insert, which offers “chestfeeding” as an alternative to “breastfeeding,” and “front hole” or “genital opening” instead of “vagina.”
www.feministcurrent.com/2022/04/18/whats-current-nhs-trust-guidance-suggests-midwives-say-front-hole-instead-of-vagina-if-dealing-with-trans-patients/

The article links to this NHS document (pdf download): www.bsuh.nhs.uk/maternity/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2021/01/MP005-Perinatal-Care-for-Trans-and-Non-Binary-People.pdf

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What fresh hell is a 'genital opening'?

Something to stick a mans genitals in?

This is hate speech passed off as the inclusion of people who cannot be included as they don't belong where they want to say they do.

Nobody prepared to speak about women this way should be allowed to practice medicine or let anywhere near children.

Words have lost meaning.
inclusion- now means using incorrect words because people feel uncomfortable with the correct words and/or letting anyone/everyone access whatever they want.

Equality- now means everyone feels entitled to have the exact same of everyone else.

This is hate speech passed off as the inclusion of people who cannot be included as they don't belong where they want to say they do.

There is nothing to add to this.

It says it all.

"And this the unfortunate truth of the matter. Women bodies only been viewed as holes to be used by men."

Yep.

I prefer the word fauxgina to mangina, as it's nothing like as useful as the real thing.

Considering how many are made of colon tissue, and how they're infamous for developing "rectal-neovaginal" fistulas, I think "front butt" is most appropriate.

I thought the front hole was the vagina of the trans man
So trans women have a lady dick and trans men a mangina
It's a regular vag, with all the special features, but now it's owner is a man it needs a new masculine name

But I'm probably wrong, being a massive terf an all

What I can't understand is why, instead of writing out women (but not men) the NHS or equivalent don't offer a separate service or linked service.

Transmen - if they've gone the whole hog with breast removal and penis construction - if not a removal of uterus, ovaries etc and are on hormones - need specialist advice. They need to know where to go for for specialist treatment and advice, not being referred to a service where no one appears to know what a front hole is. If you have a penis construction then it's your urethra. If you haven't it's still your urethra but you also have a vagina and anus. Pain and infection will need to be identified.

Transwomen - the majority appear to keep their penises. But for those who don't and have a fabricated vagina they need constant advice. As well as dealing with a replumbed urethra.

These are highly specialised services which should not be conflated with those being offered to men and women. Including the use of long term hormones.

In my circle of friends I have a transwoman who hasn't gone the whole hog and is living with a woman and I suspect would be a transvestite in times gone by, one of his DC going for transmanning and a DC of a friend who has successfully transmanned but not sure how far and is very much happier. All of them need to have specialist help since all will have sex based diseases even if none of them have had major surgery.

I really don't know how non native English speaking women , particularly those coming from cultures where speaking about body parts is uncomfortable, are meant to navigate or even understand this.

Exactly. I think about my poor neighbour who is a mother of 6 including one year old twins. She is a refugee who doesn’t have a word of English. How would she cope with this nonsense?