Thoughts on Calvin Robinson?

[meatbasedbreakfast]

Long time lurker, stepping out the darkness to ask this.

Was asked today by a friend who knows I'm GC what my thoughts are on Calvin Robinson. Apparently he's becoming a face of GC views?!

I was shocked. He is anti abortion (in all cases), doesn't think same sex marriage should be legal, and isn't a feminist in any sense of the word.

I'm genuinely concerned that our movement is being picked up by people like him, who couldn't care less about women. When he says biological sex is real, he couldn't give a damn about how that leads to discrimination/violence. It made my blood boil and I want to know what other people think.

If she published a book I would buy it - I am a huge fan ❤️

This is a great explanation of what happened to the left by Freddie deBoer, a US writer and old-fashioned Marxist:
Wokeness” centers “the personal is political” at the heart of all politics and treats political action as inherently a matter of personal moral hygiene - woke isn’t something you do, it’s something you are. Correspondingly all of politics can be decomposed down to the right thoughts and right utterances of enlightened people. Persuasion and compromise are contrary to this vision of moral hygiene and thus are deprecated. Correct thoughts are enforced through a system of mutual surveillance, one which takes advantage of the affordances of internet technology to surveil and then punish. Since politics is not a matter of arriving at the least-bad alternative through an adversarial process but rather a matter of arriving at the least-bad alternative through an adversarial process but rather a matter of understanding and inhabiting an elevated moral station, there are no crises of conscience or necessary evils.

Apologies if this has already been posted but this is yer man Calvin Robinson, right here:

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1636798445607370758?t=bNd7X7dcvhg76EMgAdbpXA&s=19

I can’t really be arsed to watch a clip from The Lotus Eaters (Sargon
of Whatshisfaces ‘Conservatism for Lads’ project, my interpretation) especially not when it’s framed by India Willoughby as being something it isn’t (GB News) followed up by ’outing’ Calvin Robinson as gay.
IW’s racist and homophobic ‘slip ups’ are so common now it’s almost impossible to keep giving the benefit of the doubt on them. Frankly I’m amazed IW still gets any media work at all.

Yes, GB News and Lotus Eaters sometimes have common contributors, but no they aren’t the same thing.
GB News hosts voices from all over the political spectrum, including, as an example of a Labour-left voice, Oiley Moyley (LRM).

www.lotuseaters.com/the-podcast-of-the-lotus-eaters-610-15-03-23

m.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkWaYZQRWg

I’m not particularly keen on any of these people btw, but they all have a right to voice their own opinions (apart from declaring someone is secretly gay, that’s far beyond political opinion and into being personally vindictive - being gay is fine and thus not an insult to bandy about in a disparaging way, and saying it because you want to damage a religious person’s public reputation is beyond the pale. Far worse, imo, than some old fashioned conservative views about women and promiscuity!)

So we have to submit to our husbands, they have to love us. Doesn't seem very balanced to me.

Well yes, that’s why I posted it, not for any of its nasty outing replies that I didn’t read. For the video, and for what Robinson says in it about women.

I don't think he's horrible about women? He gives a bible-based view which he also applies to men.

I agree with him about porn and also about the ways in which some women seek validation online being counterproductive. Dont see what's wrong with wanting to find a partner who's not on onlyfans and doesn't sleep around - fair enough, really. Don't really agree with him on the submit to your wife/husband bit, but then I'm not religious.

He doesn't say anything to make me think he's a misogynist.

The other guy gives me the creeps, though.

The thing about following the teachings of an old book, it’s gonna be full of old fashioned takes, innit? Hardly a surprise that a conservative Christian has some old fashioned sexist views on roles within marriage. It’s all perfectly congruent with the old books (and it’s not unique to Christianity).

Whereas vindictive ‘outing’ from someone who demands the LGB be force teamed with the T for evermore is far less congruent.

I notice that the "long time lurker" OP never bothered to respond to anything posted here after starting the thread. I think we can take the supposed "Calvin Robinson is the face of GC views" thing as not being in good faith?

They are desperate to get us women onside with their regressive gender movement .
Forget it!

I think so I'm afraid. Turns out he wasn't the leader of the GC movement after all.

Yet another false god. Typical.

dammit

I really thought we'd found the man who was going to lead us and make it all OK

Yes, heartbreaking. Still, Peter Murrell has time on his hands now...

I think telling women they need to submit to their husbands is pretty misogynistic.

Do you? I don't know. I mean, yes, the bible could be characterised as misogynistic, but I don't think CR is coming from a place of hate. I think he genuinely believes that both men and women belong to one another in marriage. He repeatedly points out that it works both ways.

I can't get upset about this, tbh. He's entitled to his beliefs.

Being required to love someone basically means putting their interests before your own. It's not describing a kind of one-sided thing. There's lots written from a conservative h standpoint about why men and women's roles are described differently at all coming from a lot of different points of view, but there are people who think the command to love is actually more demanding in terms of self-abnegation.

I don't really think the assumption that it necessarily reflects a hatred of anyone is warranted.

Yes, the Abrahamic religions are misogynistic. Is this some kind of shocking news to you?

In this case, CR is espousing bog standard conservative Christian views, based on what Ephesians actually says. Your argument here is with St Paul.

Nobody is in any doubt that CR is a conservative Christian.
Nobody ever thought he was a feminist in the first place.

'When he says biological sex is real', we agree because it's true. Unlike, for example, the Bible being the word of God.

The sky is blue, water is wet, sex is real, we're not stupid.

The other guy gives me the creeps, though.

Yes, I have no clue who he is but he just radiates woman-hatred.

And if we're talking about misogyny then who remembers when India Willoughby went on Woman's Hour and told Jenni Murray that a woman who doesn't shave her legs is dirty?

Oh!

But Calvin has much better hair…

I'm a Catholic, was taught by nuns. No one has ever told me I need to submit to my husband.

My mother wasn't a Catholic, refused to convert but did marry in a Catholic church. When she had her second baby in a year the Parish Priest called and offered to have a word with my father about his responsibilities and told my mother that if anyone (including my father) told her the Catholic church expected her to have a large number of children they were wrong. She certainly didn't have a baby the next year, or the next, or the next and so on.

So I don't assume all religious ministers are misogynistic, not all of them were 70 years ago when I was born. Personally I wouldn't attend church if my priest spouted that sort of thing.

The bible was written along time ago when society was very different, it has been translated more than once so I don't think I have to take my lessons from St Paul.

Why would loving someone mean submitting to them and if it does mean that they why is it only the wife who has to submit?

This is the FWR board on Mumsnet - we don’t know what goes on inside a conservative Anglican bloke’s head (although it doesn’t seem any different from the gumph I vaguely remember from Sunday school in the 1980s, but I’ve swerved church ever since, as personally think it’s all bollocks).

I think Calvin’s on Twitter - go ask him!

mobile.twitter.com/calvinrobinson

Sorry, is he not our leader now? I can’t keep up

I must say I do find it puzzling how confused people get by the phrase ‘gender critical’

this chap clearly loves gender. He’s never criticised it in his life