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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The strange reaction to the death of a child rapist drag queen

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 11/03/2023 07:03

An article by James Esses on the funeral of Darren Moore -a drag queen who was murdered in Cardiff city centre.
Although Moore had a prior history of convictions for child sexual abuse the Council closed off roads in central Cardiff for the funeral and news coverage has been very positive about him.

t.co/cvxmcibFdz

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MichelleScarn · 11/03/2023 07:24

As is oft said, perhaps the hard drive of whomever approved that event should be looked at.

Badbudgeter · 11/03/2023 07:24

It is outrageous. I struggle with the cognitive dissonance.

child rapist=bad
drag queen (trans umbrella)= good

Its like there is a quasi religious cleansing that occurs. You enter as your cis caterpillar self and emerge as your beautiful butterfly true self, free of the sins of the past.

During Isla Bryson’s trial her solicitor (advocate) said that if you believe she is trans then you should acquit (paraphrasing). It’s like the act of someone shimmying into a dress or pink leggings should absolve them. As they were vulnerable /confused/ forced to by the hated cocoon of toxic masculinity that they have now shed.

I feel for his victims. It’s an incredibly strong thing to do to stand up to your abuser and see him convicted. To see him being lauded as a loved public figure must hurt.

Badbudgeter · 11/03/2023 07:26

MichelleScarn · 11/03/2023 07:24

As is oft said, perhaps the hard drive of whomever approved that event should be looked at.

Yes it so often comes out a few years down the line that the person encouraging the change/ whitewashing is a sexual deviant themselves.

nilsmousehammer · 11/03/2023 07:31

Where 'sexual deviant' never actually means 'has unusual sexual interests' but 'sexually involves non-consenting others in an abusive way'. Or would like to.

nilsmousehammer · 11/03/2023 07:33

I'm also confused about 'let's celebrate a child rapist cos he did drag'.

Sainthood is conferred apparently when male people put on a costume. I'm one of those who just can't get it.

Neverplayleapfrogwithmrpipes · 11/03/2023 08:03

I live locally to this and the reaction has been very strange. All the local papers have turned off online commenting and there are several posts to say that there is zero proof that any crime was previously committed by him.

It was very easy to actually find a news report. www.barryanddistrictnews.co.uk/news/8902439.barry-offender-re-sentenced-for-breach-of-order/

mach2 · 11/03/2023 08:18

The strange normalisation of child sex abusers.

7Worfs · 11/03/2023 08:28

Males in dresses & lipstick are a sacred caste, though the spell is starting to wear off slightly.
We’ve got to speak out at every opportunity against all of this. Intolerance is the bitter pill to cure us from the plague.

OnAPostItNote · 11/03/2023 08:47

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 11/03/2023 07:03

An article by James Esses on the funeral of Darren Moore -a drag queen who was murdered in Cardiff city centre.
Although Moore had a prior history of convictions for child sexual abuse the Council closed off roads in central Cardiff for the funeral and news coverage has been very positive about him.

t.co/cvxmcibFdz

Thanks for posting. Great article. You can always rely on The Spectator

dolorsit · 11/03/2023 08:52

I've seen it argued that he was charged after consensual sex with a 14 year old boy and that it was homophobic charge.

The article reports the following was said in defence.

He said Sewell's motivation was "a love of gym and gymnastics" and he no longer has any sexual interest in young children.
Which to me indicates that at one point he did.

AlisonDonut · 11/03/2023 09:00

dolorsit · 11/03/2023 08:52

I've seen it argued that he was charged after consensual sex with a 14 year old boy and that it was homophobic charge.

The article reports the following was said in defence.

He said Sewell's motivation was "a love of gym and gymnastics" and he no longer has any sexual interest in young children.
Which to me indicates that at one point he did.

However, in 2011, he was sentenced for breaching his sex offender’s order, after being caught working with children as a dance and gymnastics coach.

It is really weird how a known child rapist looked to getting a job working with kids, that surely never happens?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/03/2023 09:05

I've seen it argued that he was charged after consensual sex with a 14 year old boy and that it was homophobic charge.

I've tried to find the court report or media from 1999, without any luck.

BovrilMartini · 11/03/2023 09:10

I’m in Cardiff and I’m finding the silence so strange. WalesOnline and BBC Wales didn’t allow comments. I’ve been discussing it with as many people as I can.

It really is like his crimes have been airbrushed. This man was a very determined sex offender. Deliberately changed his name post marriage and then tried to work at numerous gymnastics clubs across South Wales. However when these crimes are discussed online there is always a couple of comments defending him

MolkosTeenageAngst · 11/03/2023 09:12

dolorsit · 11/03/2023 08:52

I've seen it argued that he was charged after consensual sex with a 14 year old boy and that it was homophobic charge.

The article reports the following was said in defence.

He said Sewell's motivation was "a love of gym and gymnastics" and he no longer has any sexual interest in young children.
Which to me indicates that at one point he did.

More context would be useful. If he was 39 when he died in 2022 (as reported in articles) then he was only 16 or 17 in 1999 when convicted. Not saying it’s okay for 16-year-olds to sleep with minors and rape is never okay, but obviously there is a difference between a 16 year old having sex with a 14-year-old and a 26 or 46 etc year old having sex with a 14-year-old. I wouldn’t immediately jump to a 16-year-old being attracted to a 14-year-old being a danger to children, although obviously would depend on other circumstances surrounding the situation.

IWineAndDontDine · 11/03/2023 09:19

I guess in the same way George Floyd committed some awful crimes but his death was not justified and unrelated to his crimes, the fact this person was killed just because he was in drag scares the local community maybe? I personally don't like it when the media make martyrs out of these people, I feel entitely for the victims, but people see the injustice and get angry.

Clymene · 11/03/2023 09:22

Here are the facts we know:

He was 15 when he was convicted. What we also know is that a child went to the police and stood up in court to secure that conviction. Sewell spent 3 years in a young offender's institute for the crime.

He then lied about being on the sexual offenders register to secure a job teaching gymnastics to children.

His funeral was paid for in large part through a fundraiser which Sab Samuel, who set up Drag Queen Story Hour, heavily promoted on his socials.

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2023 09:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/03/2023 09:05

I've seen it argued that he was charged after consensual sex with a 14 year old boy and that it was homophobic charge.

I've tried to find the court report or media from 1999, without any luck.

Possible court case was kept private if he was under 18 under CoC?

'As a teenager, and under his previous name of Darren Sewell, he was convicted of four counts of rape on a boy under the age of 16 in Barry, South Wales, and sent to a Young Offenders’ Institution for three years.

He was banned from having contact with children but in 2011 he was convicted of breaching the order by working as a gymnastics and dance tutor with children in Cardiff.
He was sentenced to a three-year sex offender’s treatment programme, a 24-month supervision order, 300 hours unpaid work and a six-month curfew on electronic tag.'

Lockheart · 11/03/2023 09:30

Clymene · 11/03/2023 09:22

Here are the facts we know:

He was 15 when he was convicted. What we also know is that a child went to the police and stood up in court to secure that conviction. Sewell spent 3 years in a young offender's institute for the crime.

He then lied about being on the sexual offenders register to secure a job teaching gymnastics to children.

His funeral was paid for in large part through a fundraiser which Sab Samuel, who set up Drag Queen Story Hour, heavily promoted on his socials.

Yes, this is broadly my understanding too. He was 15 when he was convicted for four sexual assaults on a boy who I understand was 14 at the time.

I am not sure "child rapist" is perhaps the best way to describe him. Although he was a convicted sex offender, he was only a year older than his victim and still under the age of consent himself at the time. To my knowledge he didn't offend again in that manner, although he did breach his order in his later 20s. I am not personally convinced that he was a paedophile.

This has some more information: transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/30/darren-sewell/

Lockheart · 11/03/2023 09:46

Tbh I'm slightly shocked that the Spectator has published an article making out that Moore was a rampant abuser of multiple children, when all the facts that we know point to one victim only. Did no-one check any records?

Neverplayleapfrogwithmrpipes · 11/03/2023 09:48

I have gathered from posts written by people who went to school with him that the victim was much younger than 14.

Clymene · 11/03/2023 09:49

He was convicted of four rapes @Lockheart, not four sexual assaults.

Clymene · 11/03/2023 09:52

Lockheart · 11/03/2023 09:46

Tbh I'm slightly shocked that the Spectator has published an article making out that Moore was a rampant abuser of multiple children, when all the facts that we know point to one victim only. Did no-one check any records?

The article says: Moore was jailed in March 1999 after being convicted of four counts of rape of a boy aged under 16.
He was also banned from having contact with children. However, in 2011, he was sentenced for breaching his sex offender’s order, after being caught working with children as a dance and gymnastics coach.

Nothing implies he raped multiple children, just one.

Lockheart · 11/03/2023 09:53

Clymene · 11/03/2023 09:49

He was convicted of four rapes @Lockheart, not four sexual assaults.

Yes you are right, I should have used the term rape.

Lockheart · 11/03/2023 09:55

Clymene · 11/03/2023 09:52

The article says: Moore was jailed in March 1999 after being convicted of four counts of rape of a boy aged under 16.
He was also banned from having contact with children. However, in 2011, he was sentenced for breaching his sex offender’s order, after being caught working with children as a dance and gymnastics coach.

Nothing implies he raped multiple children, just one.

But it also says:

I’m sure Moore’s vulnerable and helpless victims will also struggle to ‘forget’.

...Darren Moore’s rape of children...

Note the use of plurals for victims and children.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/03/2023 10:36

I have gathered from posts written by people who went to school with him that the victim was much younger than 14.

Someone also said that on Tattle that I saw, I don't know if it's from the same original source as you heard. Obviously not that reliable info.