Am I Reading This Right?... Rosie Duffield Throwing KJK Under The Bus?!

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From what i can tell, Rosie has quote tweeted a lloyd russell tweet, that is having a go at Kellie J.
Rosie it seems, has thrown Kellie under the bus by claiming, ' look i'm not like that other woman, so listen to me '! That's how i'm reading it anyway.
If so, that's the last time i hop in when it's rosie getting all the flak, she can do one!
I notice Bindle is there too!

Floisme

It isn't cut mid sentence. 'If that isn't worth setting aside even the right to a legal abortion I don't know what is.' is the end of the sentence.

I don't know what she says next.

If women are willing to set aside their right to legal abortion to oppose gender ideology I respect their view but do not share it.

And that is basically what Rosie Duffield is saying, along with pointing out that it is lazy of RLM to pretend that all gender critical women have the same opinions.

Yes absolutely this!

Sapphos, why don't you check your own post at 14.19 yesterday.
The screenshot you used to demonstrate your point ends, 'Once we can....' and the rest is cut off.

Are you saying you used it without knowing what she said next?

Yes I did.

And unless she subsequently said 'of course I am not being serious' then I don't see the problem with using it.

She has other priorities and that is fine.

No. KJK said she would be willing to give up her right to a legal abortion in her fight against gender ideology. That is perfectly okay but lots of GC feminists absolutely would not give up their right to legal abortion.

And yet, it is you who keeps bringing it up. It is you who keeps posting a screenshot and your words can be interpreted to be framed to read that it is KJK who is ‘anti-abortion’ and ‘right wing’.

It really keeps coming back to whether or not women reading your words understand that there are feminists out there who will do this in this sly manner. But those who understand how it is being framed this way, also understand that some feminists view others as resources. Resources to be tapped into for different reasons so they might choose to walk a line that seems disingenuous but I now believe is deliberate.

So, yes. Women are not a fucking hive mind. And yes! Women can have different priorities.

Yet, it is you posting here in a way that seems to be to portray a woman who chooses not to adopt your priorities in the order you and your friends believe is the only priority, as being worthy of being denounced.

Once you see the pattern of posting, you cannot miss it.

And why the posters doing it think others cannot see it?

Indeed they do!

Thank you Sapphos for confirming that you used an incomplete screenshot to demonstrate your point.

From your post upthread, it also sounds very much as if you didn't even notice it had been cut short until I asked about it three times.

Trying to guess what she might said next is so not the point and I find it hard to believe you seriously think that's an adequate response.

I think I had better keep any further thoughts to myself.

FGS it's okay to point out that you are a feminist with different priorities to KJK.

It would be a lot more troubling if women were mindless sheep who agreed with everything she said in case they were accused of being a TRA.

Why are you getting angry?

Why not just say, 'Ah I see what you mean, my bad, I'll go and look for the original screenshot''

I mean the original might even demonstrate your point, who knows!

It's the way you seem to have posted it without even noticing that it had been cut short, let alone knowing what it says in full that I find so very telling.

Women having differing views and priorities is normal, yes.

So why not just state your own views as an independent viewpoint rather than constantly single out one other woman to oppose over and over again?

What people are responding to is the posts like this one below posted at 14:19:

“KJK said she would be willing to sacrifice her right to legal abortion if it meant trans children were not being mutilated.”

“I read that as meaning she would prefer to live in a right wing society where abortion was illegal if it meant kids could not access puberty blockers and surgery.”

“She is entitled to her option but lots of women would feel horrified to live in a right wing society where abortion was illegal.”

Again, posted with that clipped off screenshot.

Here you have put your own spin on what she has and has not said. You have, whether it was intentional or not, portrayed her views as being extreme and being anti-abortion and right wing.

Now you seem to have pivoted when you post this:

“A women's right to access single sex spaces is not worlds apart from a women's right to access legal abortion.”

“Lots of feminists (ie Rosie Duffield) consider these equally important issues.”

And is anyone disagreeing that other feminists can consider these as equally important issues? I don’t think I have seen one poster say other feminists can not.

However, what is clear is that you have no issue with portraying a woman who does consider these as equally important issues as being ‘anti-abortion’ and ‘right wing’ supporting.

The hypocrisy is so blatant. It is dishonest. And it is just fuckwittery in my opinion.

I am all for people having different priorities. But twisting words the way that seems to be happening on this thread, as it has on other threads recently too, that is why people are responding they way they have.

I doubt we have to look far to find that screenshot.

Every one of these threads that involves this screenshot has posters asking for the full version and, iirc, and afaict from a look at relevant MN threads and a search of Google images, nobody ever locates the full version. (This may be the time that somebody succeeds, who knows.)

These threads just revisit and renew the stramash. I wonder if the author of a guidebook we cannot mention would say that this is plausibly among the motivations/aspirations of some posters?

It's so depressing that people who identify as feminists are so willing to throw female children under the bus.

To spend time dissecting KJK's views rather than considering whether the safeguarding points she raises are important and focusing the discussion on safeguarding for female children in the UK.

Just say 'yeah, I don't exactly agree with her but let's talk about safeguarding female children'. 95% of the conversation should be about safeguarding and no more than 5% distancing from KJKs views (hint - any adult worth talking to understands that you don't necessarily agree with another adult on everything if you agree on one issue)

There are safeguarding failures every day. Has anything changed since Rotherham? I don't think it has. There's been a lot of exactly this kind of pointless, useless blah blah blah from politicians and political commentators but has anything actually changed to make girls safer? No.

What this is is nasty bullying and women enjoying sticking the knife in.

You're failing children by doing so,.

The one woman who is most exposed
in the public eye out of all women who want to stop this ideology. The one woman who makes no secret of the fact that motherhood and the protection of her children is one of her major driving forces.

Leading her to the protection of children everywhere. It's in everything she says.

The one woman who in one day can utter hundreds of thousands of words expressing her fury and determination to stop the sterilisation of children.

And yet, people like sapphos pore over every single word in order to find the slightest inconsistency to vilify her.

Saphos you don't write about your priorities, or not being a hive mind with other feminists. Your posts are all about KJK.

I find it interesting that Sappo thinks she has the moral high ground over KJK.
From what I remember Sappho was entirely on board with everything trans until she was personally affected. Males allowed everywhere, fuck the women and girls that object.
How aren't you embarrassed to be obsessed with a woman that has different views (that are usually taken out of context anyway) when you were literally fighting against the rights of women and girls until fairly recently?

I plugged the text from the screenshot into Facebook to see if I could find the original comment, or a screen shot with the entire comment pictured.

Nothing.

What I did find was multiple posts of the cut off screenshot shared by accounts belonging to TRAs

crypto

as far as I remember it was something like …we can go back and sort abortion rights out when we’ve sorted this

This is an important point. Misogynists like LRM will use anything they can twist to attack women, and child safeguarding enrages them. What’s new?

Given the way adults in authority, and especially in Labour, failed girls they should have protected in Rotherham etc, they’re on very shaky ground.

I admire Rosie, I admire KJK and other women who strive for women’s rights. I accept that all women who centre women in their politics are feminists if they call themselves feminists, and if they don’t choose that description that’s also fine. Women who centre men are not feminists, whatever they call themselves.

Yes, I remember that too. Glad to have you on board, Sapphos. But please don’t undermine women who were fighting for our rights when you were opposing them.

One person has shared two different versions of the same screenshot twice, once in June 2022 and again during the last week.

The first time it had this caption attached to the top of the image:

’Posie Parker, also known as Kellie-Jay Keen is the woman who organised the anti trans rally in Bristol this week. It was picketed by anti fascist protestors including some very angry young
men in masks. They had good reason to be so angry. This woman is a far right agitator 1/3’

(my search did not return a 2/3 nor a 3/3)

The most recent share featured ‘mark ups’ on the image.

The person who shared this twice in a ten month period has the following memorable cartoon as the header image on their profile.

Why yes, it’s that infamous TRA cartoon that depicts female homosexuals as the KKK.

All of this is set to FB public view, btw, so replicating it here does not involve the sharing of anyone’s private info.

(I also found a long comment thread featuring a number of self identifying ‘left wing feminists’, one of whom compares KJK to Nigel Farage and another who derided Mumsnetters for not being proper radical feminists, so I guess I accidentally stumbled across the source for some of the more unusual comments on the recent thread about The Radical Notion 🤷‍♀️)

Yes, I seem to remember that being KJK’s argument - that without the word ‘woman’ it will be impossible to defend current womens’ rights or make the case for any future womens’ rights.

I certainly do not recall KJK ever saying that we should give up on abortion forever and embrace a right wing society based on traditional stereotypes!

Thanks for doing that Crypto. How interesting that there seem to be multiple versions of the screenshot in circulation but none showing the entire comment.

I hadn't seen it before, although it sounds like it's been used more than once on this board and, if Sappho hadn't posted the version with the cut off sentence, then I'd have probably never noticed anything odd about it.

Did you not realise which version you'd posted Sappho? Is that what's happened?