Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

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Continuation of Thread 3.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

Tricyrtis2022 · Today 17:41

Where did the link go?

Bloody Hell, that's horrible. I see that the school has issued the expected mealy-mouthed platitudes of dishonesty and out "The safety of all our students is paramount." They've had a series of complaints and essentially ignored them all.

They claim that the unisex toilets are supervised; so how did the supervisor miss the boy taking the time to kick a door repeatedly, until he broke the lock?

how did the supervisor miss the boy taking the time to kick a door repeatedly, until he broke the lock?

Quite! Apparently the doors have been kicked so hard that the locks no longer work. As for the reaction from the school, it's pathetic, just words. They've done nothing to keep those girls safe from the boys.

Keeping girls safe is an aspiration. But it's quite hard to do because if you go around punishing boys, it's just terribly difficult. However, if there's a trouble free way of keeping girls safe without any inconvenience to the important pupils, they'll be all over it.

Hi all, I've just asked for a number of my posts to be deleted. I'm not acting in bad faith, I promise you, but just realised that there is private information I shouldn't have shared and could cause upset. Thanks all.

No, NotDrowning, I was responding to someone else's comment and you chose to make it all about you and take it personally and give me a good scolding about how pronouns never hurt anyone.

Ive explained my comments repeatedly, but I'm not going to apologise because I don't believe I said anything wrong. So could you just leave me alone now please? Thanks.

I apologise for thinking you were referring to me. If you'd let me know that was the case earlier I'd have said no more but you didn't so I continued. I'm happy to leave you alone. You're still misrepresenting what I said re pronouns but you do you.

How about some irony:

twitter.com/fuelsteel/status/1636142871773429761?s=61&t=kGVJW3nqB0HwN7e30O6LKw

Oh, so Hamza is a hate filled bigot, along with Nicola Sturgeon. Who could have predicted that? Caught in their own net, to the dulcet tones of nano violins.

@MmePoppySeedDefage that is perfection.

I'm pleased and relieved that someone is dealing with the violent misgendering of Isla Bryson. I'm still reeling, personally.

This court case had totally passed me by. I vaguely remember something about Mx Lord's involvement. Appeal happened today and continuing tomorrow. I couldn't open any of the archive links, my tablet being a little overprotective. All the best to Ms Higgs, I hope she wins.

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/higgs-v-farmors-school-employment

You're not the only one. I've not heard of this one.

"In 2019, primary school assistant, Kristie Higgs, then 43, was dismissed for gross misconduct by Farmor's School in Fairford, Gloucestershire.

Higgs had shared and commented on posts on her personal Facebook in 2018 which raised concerns about LGBTQ relationship education at her son's Church of England primary school.

After one anonymous complaint, the academy dismissed her for reasons including "illegal discrimination", "serious inappropriate use of social media" and "online comments that could bring the school into disrepute and damage the reputation of the school".

Higgs took Farmor’s School to Employment Tribunal in 2020, where Employment Judge Derek Reed ruled the dismissal was lawful, that it wasn't related to Higgs' Christian beliefs and, "was the result of a genuine belief on the part of the school that she had committed gross misconduct".

Judge Tayler called the decision into question and granted Mrs Higgs permission to appeal.

In a preliminary hearing, in June 2022, Mrs Higgs’ lawyers challenged the impartiality of a Tribunal member, Edward Lord OBE, and his suitability to hear the appeal. Lord had made a series of public sstatements which included that individuals should be prohibited from making comments or statements regarding LGBT ideology, especially transgenderism.

The Honourable Mrs Justice Eady DBE, President of the relevant Employment Appeal Tribunal, heard the application and stated Lord's involvement ‘could not exclude the possibility of bias’ and granted the request for his recusal"

"On morning of 16th March, A preliminary hearing was heard regarding recusal of a Panel laymember, which was granted by the Judge, and who, reflecting on parties input, decided to continue the EAT without Panel members and Judge alone. The Judge stated she will send written judgement of this as soon as possible"

The SNP have finally revealed their current membership numbers. Since 2019, the membership has dropped by 43%. Who could have possibly guessed it...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/16/snp-reveals-number-of-members-eligible-to-vote-on-leadership-much-lower-than-estimated

Can't think why that's happened Wait!

There were 82,598 members as of 31 December 2022 which means 10,000 less just between between then and now.

Curiouser and curiouser....

Wow. I reckon that might be a faster membership shed than Labour!

Poor old SNP. I wonder what the Labour Party memberships numbers are now.

Mine hangs by a thread. I'm still a member, but as things stand, I won't vote for them. Not just about GC issues, but mostly that. But it seems that lately Labour give their natural voters all kinds of reasons to not vote for them. So they do make the decision easier.

I left in August 2020. My membership was up for renewal and I didn't renew it. I think when a party starts cancelling the membership of socialist Jews for antisemitism then all pretence of sanity has left the building.

Expelling them, not cancelling. My brain only remembered that word after I posted. Stupid big black hole in the brain brain.

when a party starts cancelling the membership of socialist Jews for antisemitism^

Whaaat?

Here's a bit more on the Higgs EAT:

twitter.com/legalfeminist/status/1636505511020441602?s=61&t=kGVJW3nqB0HwN7e30O6LKw

Hoping she can get a sensible result this time.

Here's an article covering a lot of it, @MmePoppySeedDefage

The Jews expelled from Labour over antisemitism

Here's a paragraph from the article:

The JVL members’ own standing, by contrast, seems to have fallen. According to Mike Cushman, a JVL officer, as of January 2022 the Labour Party had initiated 55 internal investigations of Jews on the grounds of antisemitism allegations, and 43 members of the JVL had been sanctioned. One JVL member, Diana Neslen, an 82-year-old Jewish South African émigré and former anti-apartheid activist, has been investigated three times; on Monday, the party dropped its case against her after she threatened to sue Labour for discriminating against her on the basis of her anti-Zionist beliefs. Two JVL members—Mike Howard, 72, a 40-year Labour member, and Riva Joffe, a South African-born anti-racist activist in her 80s—have died while under investigation for alleged antisemitism, Cushman said, “before they could clear their names."

The wrong kind of Jews. So shoddy.