“We want gas and air to be available for women and….”

[AnyFucker]

You guessed it… “birthing people”

Morning telly, right there 🤢

Well I was trying to think of a more formal way of describing “convoluted word salad”.

Some women also seem to find it difficult that they have a sex and that there is a word for that sex. It seems to be because sex based language is used in so many rich ways to create other kinds of meaning in conversation/writing/society/culture (all that gendered stuff) that they seem either to have forgotten that all those uses and meanings can only exist and be meaningful because of the shared understanding that women and man refer to sex classes, or to be unable to separate all those other uses of the words from when it is used for its simple core meaning of which reproductive class you fall in.

I saw it on BBC breakfast they also mentioned parents when they meant mothers ! Bloody disgraceful

FourTeaFallOut · Today 08:06

How many transmen are actually giving birth each year anyway? Apparently in 2019 it was 22.

Apparently, that's in Australia; I can't find any useful figures for Britain.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7329731/Medicare-data-shows-22-transgender-men-gave-birth-year-228-past-decade.html

The Australian government's Medicare agency revealed 22 transgender men gave birth during the past financial year. This made them among the 228 who had been pregnant during the past decade.

Births in the UK:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2021

There were 624,828 live births in England and Wales in 2021, an increase of 1.8% from 613,936 in 2020, but still below the 2019 figure (640,370)

I think that there have been very few "transman" pregnancies here. Why such a change, to accommodate such a tiny fraction of a percent of mothers, at the expense of the 99.9997% ?

Two apparently. We all have to bend to two. I have never seen an update on this from Feb 2021:

"This strained, clumsy, impractical lexicon is meant to cater instead to the tiny number of natal females who transition to male socially but not medically and give birth. As of 2017, the UK had two such people."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d1157740-6d57-11eb-ba86-e516f9df6e0a?shareToken=eb006a8cab50ab4c58ae1462da87e067

I thought I'd seen that it was two, but as I couldn't find any figures, didn't want to give fodder to any hovering TROSH stormtroopers...

Didn't Prince Harry claim to have accessed the gas and air when his son was born.

There.....birthing person.

Problem with woman and birthing people is it’s a mouthful and it will inevitably at some point get shorted to birthing people as of course that’s more inclusive. Possibly not in official documents but in passing, birthing people will be used more. WABP is already used a lot on course slides etc.
I do feedback a lot at training days etc and am militant in only using women in my own practice. I’m going to be braver though as we have a new mandatory question about it on our booking forms which a) is horribly worded and b) mandatory with no option to decline to answer. Might start a separate thread about it.

Well he might have had gas and air but I can 100% assure you he wasn't pushing a baby out of his penis, therefore he wasn't giving birth, therefore he wasn't birthing.
Although I'm pretty sure your being facetious, at least I hope you are😂😬

Oops just realised what your saying...I'm a muppet!

I used to be a biology teacher. This is ridiculous. It is not fair on anyone to think that anyone else other than women can give birth. We are defined by our biology and at no time is that more important than giving birth.

instead of women and birthing people why not:

Women and
‘the women who are thinking they are really something else?’

Its a miracle they said 'women and..'

My work menopause policy tied itself in knots to avoid using the word 'woman ' it was all menopausal person, when I suggested we could say 'women and' I got told they would replace the word woman with colleague, which totally missed the point.

You don't see this pandering the minority with anything else. I'm diabetic and should be very completely totally offended to see recipes for cake with sugar as an ingredient. How dare they not change it to canderel for me and my diabetic comrades!

cis sugar please. Or better still a whole phrase of burble that hides the offending word altogether.

My work menopause policy tied itself in knots to avoid using the word 'woman ' it was all menopausal person, when I suggested we could say 'women and' I got told they would replace the word woman with colleague, which totally missed the point.

Yes, they know it implies that there is a connection between "women" and being female. And they probably are being told that's exclusionary.

Be reassured, I was being facetious, and was going to say so. But could not think of the word.

It's classic mission creep isn't it?

“For some autistics”

nice.

To me, that headline reads as…
Women should have gas and air available, whilst in hospital I guess,
Also, ‘birthing people’ i.e. women, should have gas and air available,
So, regardless of women who are giving birth, or not, women can have gas and air,
Wow, just think, all the female patients (no matter why they are in hospital), and all female staff, entitled to gas and air!

Surely, if you are a transman, you want to be a bloke.

So, WTF are you doing having a bloody baby? It is the most female of female things to do.

This whole sodding charade reminds me, yet again, of Stan Loretta in The Life of Brian.

“For some autistics”

nice.

I think Susan is autistic herself and that's the term she chooses to use.

Although I might laugh and make fun at the word contortions, I also think it's imperative that girls are made fully aware that they belong to the sex that gets pregnant and gives birth, and that this applies regardless of how they identify. I don't see anything benign in using language that fudges this.

Because the illusion is then extended the next step. This is why the insanity of 'look, I'm a man having a baby, a miracle has happened, now men give birth too'.

No love, they really don't.

The obvious harm of enabling personal realities where unwanted facts are put aside and anyone mentioning them are 'haters', and of endlessly indulging one minor thing because it's kind and makes them happy and does no harm - just leads to the next step. And the next. And yes, accumulatively it does a fuckton of harm to everyone involved.

Don't tell me you are trying to police what I call myself?