What are your thoughts on agender people?

[abc567]

Hello mumset, I am brand new here and made an account because I'm curious about how GC women feel about agender people. This is purely for my own understanding as I've read several posts from GC women on this site saying they do not have a gender identity, and I wanted to explore further the reasons why this is.

From my understanding, there are two types of agender people:

1. gender apathetic i.e. people who don't have a gender identity and don't care (gender has no inherent value to them so they do not mind gendered language being applied to them)

2. gender averse i.e. people who don't have a gender identity and actively reject gendered language (they are distressed at the gendered aspect of their lives and are more likely to seek an androgynous appearance)

Do either of these concepts resonate with you, or do you still feel very connected to your female sex despite lacking a gender identity?

So by calling category 2 agender isn't that rather rude and ascribing a gender identity to them anyway ?

It's certainly using a word about themselves that they would be unlikely to use

I mean why should people without a gender identity be given a gender label ?

I don’t ‘feel very connected to my female sex’. I just AM female.

Whether I ‘identify’ as feminine or masculine or nothing at all (which I don’t feel the need to) I’m still female.

Agender is yet another gender identity I don't have.

I have a biological sex and a personality.

Agenda rather than Agender , I feel.

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For me personally, I think that there are 14 types of agender people:

those that belong to the Emperor,
embalmed ones,
those that are trained,
suckling pigs,
mermaids,
fabulous ones,
stray dogs,
those included in the present classification,
those that tremble as if they were mad,
innumerable ones,
those drawn with a very fine camelhair brush,
others,
those that have just broken a flower vase,
those that from a long way off look like flies.

HTH

"Agender" suggests acceptance of the concept of gender identity. Most GC people reject the whole idea of gender so agender is no different.

Yep this 👏🏻

How many more pointless categories of ‘identity’ are people going to come up with? And it’s bad enough when people make them up for themselves, but then to have the audacity to start imposing them on other people…

I’m a FAG (Fuck All Genders)
Pronouns: Do/One

Yep, this is exactly the same as how I feel about this.

What you don't seem to be addressing, @abc567 , is that feminists view gender as a hierarchy imposed on women (and men) in order to uphold a sexist, misogynist, patriarchal society.

I am an individual, with a unique personality. The fact that my sex is female tells you nothing at all about that unique personality.

How I feel about agenda people: erm, why would I feel anything? I wish them happy and fulfilled lives.

Do either of your categories resonate with me as someone who self-defines as GC? Bits of both.

I see gender as having a negative role in society and in my life. I am distressed when people see me as having a gender identity.

But I don’t object to what I think you mean by “gendered” language (I assume you are talking about pronouns/man/woman etc) because I see this as sexed language.

How I dress is not related to my gender identity/lack of gender identity. It is related to my introversion and laziness: I dress in the way that I think will attract least attention with minimum effort.

I have a biological sex and a personality.

Same here. Female sex and a woman. The rest is all narcissistic navel gazing for me.

"do you still feel very connected to your female sex despite lacking a gender identity?"

What on earth does that mean? I am connected to my female sex whether I like it or not. Every month or so my female sex reminds me I'm female, for just one example. My female sex is just a body type.

What do I need gender, or a gender, or a gender identity for? I've never had an answer to this from anyone.

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Life's too short for all this narcissistic nonsense.

Ahhh gotcha, this explanation makes sense, thank you.

Purely out of interest (and feel free not to reply as I'm sure you get asked these questions a lot!) - from your perspective would there ever be a possibility that other people could have a gender identity, even if you (and other GC women) do not?

Gender is invented.

Biological sex is real.

I don't have a gender, I believe gender = negative stereotypes and I don't choose to buy into my of discrimination

I am an atheist when it comes to gender belief. Like religion I don't mind you believing in something but don't expect me to pray to your god

I am not agender please don't gender me

I have a sex, it is an integral part of who I am. It impacts on my life, I have given birth, experienced miscarriages and child loss, I have experienced excruciating periods and horrible menopause symptoms. I enjoy something's associated with female stereotypes I enjoy some thing's associated with male stereotypes. That is just my personality. I do not choose to be bound by stereotypes that are applied to the equivalent gender that somehow believe I should shrink myself into a little box that = feminine rather than be myself.

To say I identify as a woman would be to say I buy into that crap stereotype and all the misogyny that goes with it

Gender is a very negative concept in my view.

Be yourself, enjoy your personality, wear what you like, do your hair how you like, don't put yourself in an itty bitty box to suit others views of the world

What is all this bollox, no wonder young people are so messed up .

I am the same. I am female, my sex is female, and in that sense I share common experiences with other women. I have no sense of a "gender" separate from my sex. I am a human being whose body is female. I see it akin to how religious people talk about their soul - it is relevant to them and I respect their right to believe it about themselves but I don't share their belief.

If someone said the spiritual state of my soul was "a-soul" as in "I didn't have a soul" I would reject the whole premise - I don't believe in a soul, so I don't have a spiritual state of one (or not).

would there ever be a possibility that other people could have a gender identity

A preference for aspects of gendered roles/expectations/stereotypes which feels important to them, yes.

An innate inner essence, no.

A-soul

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Of course other people can believe they have a gender identity, crack on. However, forcing everyone else to agree with you and act as if your gender identity is more important than your biological sex in areas where sex matters, well, no, thanks.

The nearest I have to a gender is Hufflepuff and Sagittarius, both of which are made up

Purely out of interest (and feel free not to reply as I'm sure you get asked these questions a lot!) - from your perspective would there ever be a possibility that other people could have a gender identity, even if you (and other GC women) do not?

Sure other people can choose to buy into a set of stereotypes if they like. Just as they can choose to believe in a bunch of gods I don't believe in. What you or others believe has no impact on me unless you try to force conversion and belief on others.

Sex is a material fact

Gender is a belief much like religion, I'm not offended by it, I just don't share your belief

Ok that's a good analogy!

So it's sort of akin to how atheist people don't consider atheism to be their "religious identity", they just don't believe in religion as an overarching concept?