What are your thoughts on agender people?

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Hello mumset, I am brand new here and made an account because I'm curious about how GC women feel about agender people. This is purely for my own understanding as I've read several posts from GC women on this site saying they do not have a gender identity, and I wanted to explore further the reasons why this is.

From my understanding, there are two types of agender people:

1. gender apathetic i.e. people who don't have a gender identity and don't care (gender has no inherent value to them so they do not mind gendered language being applied to them)

2. gender averse i.e. people who don't have a gender identity and actively reject gendered language (they are distressed at the gendered aspect of their lives and are more likely to seek an androgynous appearance)

Do either of these concepts resonate with you, or do you still feel very connected to your female sex despite lacking a gender identity?

Much as others have said, agender doesn’t apply to me because it presupposes a belief in something I don’t believe in. To say I am agender, I have to believe that I am without something other people have I.e a gender identity. I don’t believe in gender identities.

I understand that other people do believe this though, in the way that other people believe in reincarnation. I don’t.

I also believe those people should be able to express their belief in gender identity without prejudice or suffering harm, just as anyone else should be allowed to express their beliefs. That means too though that people need to accept that those of us who don’t believe in gender also have a legitimate and legal right to say so and that we cannot be compelled to agree with the gender believers or that stopping people saying they disagree is the behaviour of authoritarians and using violence to suppress others beliefs is a form of terrorism.

It also means that I don’t think gender identity should be discussed as scientific fact any more than flat Earth or Creationism is in our schools or healthcare policy and where the concept of gender identity comes into conflict with sex based rights then sex based rights, based as they are in material reality should take precedence over gender identity as in single sex hospital wards, prisons, refuges and sports.

I have no gender as I don’t believe in the gender stuff

Brava!

plus it forces trans people out of the closet who aren't ready yet.

I never understand when people say this. If everyone at work thinks you’re a man (because you’re a man) but in your head you fancy yourself as a woman, only you are not quite ready to announce to the world that they are now under an obligation to pretend you are the opposite sex. Then one day (whilst still comfortably closeted) you are required to “state your pronouns”. Why wouldn’t you just say “my pronouns are he/him” if you weren’t ready to “come out”?

The concept of gender identity chimes with my theory that gender ideologues want to bore us into submission. I cannot imagine anything more tedious than sitting around talking about your gender identity and your pronouns. If you're going to acquire an authoritarian ideology, at least get an interesting one with a bit of drama and beauty. Catholicism for example.

My response is 🥱

Gender as taught in schools is harmless?

Really ?

So it doesn't in anyway enforce gender stereotypes ( because you can't discuss gender without referring to stereotypes )

and it doesn't encourage girls in particular to think it's real, their gender is wrong and hey they are on a path to changing gender and the potential harms such as sterilisation

What does GC mean?

I am female. Any thoughts or feelings I have or interests I have are my personality.

Anyone who goes on about their gender, pronouns etc, is a self absorbed privileged bore. Most of us have more worries than how people address us or what stereotype we're feeling.

Do either of these concepts resonate with you, or do you still feel very connected to your female sex despite lacking a gender identity?

You seem to be overthinking

I am a women. And I have a personality. Simple really.

@Reddahlias it stands for 'gender critical', it's a bit of a grab bag term. It is not anti-trans. It is anti-gender ideology.

Yes - especially if they’ve been taught ( otherwise known as ‘indoctrinated’) gender nonsense in school, or attended any higher educational establishment in Sussex, Edinburgh or London, or are being educated in a Canadian school.

Thanks! I thought it might mean Gender Conforming or something...?!

I’m a Gender Apostate.

So this is more in the case of non-binary people as using they/them pronouns immediately signifies that you are trans. An individual may use they/them pronouns in their personal life but not told their employer. If the person then has to declare their pronouns, they either have to face being misgendered (which causes distress to those with dysphoria) or come out as trans which may put them at risk of workplace harassment or being fired.

Just wondering since when did gender become sex?

I remember being asked on various forms 'what is your gender'?

Why are we no longer allowed to use that?

What the fuck is a ‘gender’? Have we ever got a definition that didn’t revolve around stereotypes and feelings?

Let’s be blunt. A person’s ‘gender’ is simply their personal interpretation of what that gender is. It may barely reflect material reality if it is an interpretation of the ‘opposite’ sex. It is nothing more than the interpretation. It is more accurate to scrap stop referring to man and woman ‘genders’ and just refer to people as people with a trans identity.

But of course, that is not acceptable.

So, No! ‘Gender’ should not be taught in schools. Tolerance for everyone should be taught in schools. Tolerance for alternative opinions should be taught in schools. But ‘gender’? No.

But that contradicts what many people in this thread have said - i.e. they have no gender, just biological sex and personality?

If you are proposing the Declare Your Pronouns Workplace Ritual be cancelled you won’t find much opposition to your proposal here.

Although being a Gender Apostate, I have found ‘No thank you, I don’t follow that religion’ to be a useful standard answer.

Interesting discussion!

I'm closer to this:

gender apathetic i.e. people who don't have a gender identity and don't care (gender has no inherent value to them so they do not mind gendered language being applied to them)

But it's sexed language, not gendered.

And people who think this:

gender averse i.e. people who don't have a gender identity and actively reject gendered language (they are distressed at the gendered aspect of their lives and are more likely to seek an androgynous appearance)

...need to get over themselves 🙄

Do either of these concepts resonate with you, or do you still feel very connected to your female sex despite lacking a gender identity?

I am very connected to my female sex being what defines me as "woman". Womanhood to me is the "lived experience" of being female - I feel quite strongly about this. "Inclusive" language about re. female health issues drives me up the wall.

Sex has always existed. If forms needed to ask your sex, they asked your sex. A decade or two back some of them started using 'gender', a meaningless nonsense word instead, because they thought sex was rude.

In any situation where medical intervention or treatment may be needed the word has to be sex for safety reasons because female and male bodies are different and first responders need to know what they are dealing with. In any situation where discrimination in wages or access is being assessed it has to be sex because that is a major basis for discrimination.

Yes I'd much rather it was cancelled - its like if your workplace made you declare your sexuality in your work signature? No thanks!!