Get paid for drugged sex!

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Well, this is a bit special:

A BBC documentary has sparked outrage after a sex therapist suggested men who have a fetish about sex with unconscious partners should be able to pay women to be drugged

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11831307/We-Need-Talk-Bill-Cosby-Sex-therapist-calls-women-drugged-money.html

Is it me or is the world getting madder?

"Sonalee is a sought-after speaker who travels internationally to curate custom visual workshops that whisper to our change-making spirit and nourish our vision for a more just future."

I'll just leave that there and collect my eyes which have rolled out of my head and across the floor.

Right, so that's exactly what she said.

The mail is just reporting it.

I had a friend in my 20s who had worked as a sex worker in the field of very dark fantasies.

This friend would be "raped" whilst out walking late at night, very brutally, anally. The cost to do that to my friend was £500. This friend advertised this service online, plus other things, but this one always seemed the most severe.

Anyway, this person went through the ordeal of being raped in the park, after its finished the rapist leaves. Then meets them at the exit of the park and beats up my friend and takes the £500 back off of them.

My friend continued with sex work however this experience was incredibly traumatic and obviously my friend was actually raped, that was no role play.

It scares me to imagine anyone suggesting sex workers be even more vulnerable by being drugged.

The world is fucking terrifying.

I just can't with this...

How is the solution that women agree to this. Rather than men look into why such disturbing shit gets them off.

When did mutually enjoyable consensual respectful sex become something so boring and vanilla that things have to escalate to being drugged and raped in the name of not kink shaming or whatever

I'm can't believe what I have just read. Absolutely vile

how is the therapist presented and why are they on the show?

Just because people do it, and just because there are some people desperate enough to agree to be paid to do it, doesn't mean it isn't exploitative and immoral.

People will sell kidneys if they're desperate enough, but that doesn't make it OK in a civilised society. The law is there to protect desperate, vulnerable people who could otherwise be exploited.

Some people seem to have no ability to ever say 'No, this is not acceptable'. Just because someone wants to have sex with an unconscious woman, just because there might be a woman who is desperate enough for money to agree, does not mean it should be allowed. It's not mean, it's not prudish, it's not trying to spoil men's fun, it's just beyond the bounds of what should ever be allowed. Just NO!

Completely agree with this.

Completely agree @Whatwouldscullydo.

It’s vile.

I'm going out on a limb to say that the BBC to this particular "therapist" precisely because she holds such (abhorrent) views.

Yes, you'd like to think that the BBC didn't do clickbaity stuff like this.

Sounds like part of this new trend of turning the insides of generic women's bodies into commercial products in everything. Surrogacy and sex work.

Should the BBC not have bought the American made documentary?

What the crazy woman was saying is crazy, but the BBC seems to be targeted as the responsible party for selecting her. When it was the choice of the documentary maker, not the BBC.

I’m genuinely curious whether this woman’s abhorrent views should have been enough for the BBC to not buy and air the 4 part documentary on Bill Cosby? The documentary itself was meant to be an expose on how Bill Cosby got away with decades of sexual assault something akin to a Jimmy Saville expose.

Nope, the BBC are the responsible party in this country for broadcasting it.

Ffs it's time we brought back kink shaming. At some point we need to draw a line and say no, this is not OK and wanting to do it means you need psychological help. As does anyone who agrees to do this with you (and more practical help if they are doing it for money).

Do you mean that there is a wider context in the documentary which would change our understanding of this clip?

surely broadcasting what this woman said serves the purpose of educating the audience about the crazy awful stuff that gets said, in the context of exploring this man's crimes?
unless it was introduced by a presenter saying 'hey everybody, HERE'S a great idea, listen to this, this will definitely put an end to REAL sexual violence' I don't see why the BBC shouldn't broadcast it
last night I watched a C4 documentary about artists in the Dutch resistance to Nazi occupation. Of course it detailed some of the awful things the Nazis did. I'm not expecting Stephen Fry (the presenter) to be saying '....and of course all those things were very very wrong'...even though there exist in the world right now holocaust deniers and fascists.

If exploited women are drugged they are unable to consent to anything so the man is actually raping women. Why do you think it is in anyway acceptable to allow men to rape women? What do you think this man’s next step would be when that no longer arouses him?

surely broadcasting what this woman said serves the purpose of educating the audience about the crazy awful stuff that gets said, in the context of exploring this man's crimes?

I did wonder if the public shouldn't be exposed to the full magnitude of this batshittery. Then it can't be hidden behind cute little phrases like "sex-positive".

This thread has made me so angry. At Uni I got drunk for the first time. I went to a mate’s room to sleep. Woke up with some random bloke literally all over me. Thought the worse was about to happen when another friend (big beefy bloke) promised rapey guy that he’d beat him to a pulp if he didn’t unlock the door.

Wanting to have sex with an unconscious woman is just rapey.

*worst

The Daily Mail are now reporting this person as a male: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11835281/Sex-therapist-Bill-Cosby-documentary-says-fatphobia-racism-fitness-trainers-Nazis.html

@Toseland how am I not surprised.