Triggernometry - changing sides?

[Righthandcider]

I've just been watching a Mr Menno video from this week. At one point he responds to someone in the chat who says that the Triggernometry hosts have 'let the side down so badly' and have been slating someone - the name sounded like 'Ajah'.

I can't find anything about this and wondered if anyone here could shed any light?

Can you link the video you were watching please?

I think it was a Twitter spat with KK saying he'll use pronouns with Ajah explaining why some of us (me included) refuse to give an inch on it.

It might be that.

They called a man she in a video, or something? Then got abusive when women said the consequences of calling men 'she' was rapists in womens prisons

But, no, they haven't changed sides. KK, especially, has never got it. He can only see it as a free speech issue. Therefore he has the right to see and speak about men as women. And be abusive to women who disagree.

If you watch Triggernometry you'll find plenty of examples of Konstantin Kisin speaking in favour of gender as a means of regulating the sexes and relations between them, it's things like it been used as a justification to harm children that he's angry about.

Sure, here it is. It comes up between one and two mins (sorry I can't be more precise as I'm trying to find it on a phone screen.)

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Surely the idea that there should be sides and people need to stick to their team is the problem.

People are allowed to have a range of different opinions and even to change them in light of new evidence. They’re even allowed to be a bit inconsistent in their behaviour.

@hryllilegur absolutely. I'd just like to know exactly what's been said.

It’s bloody hard to tell when online everything seems to go tribal very quickly.

Yes, that's why I'd like to listen to it / read it in the original.

Since one of the main issues that has dragged me into resisting gender identity ideology is the harm being done the children, I'll welcome anyone speaking against it. They can speak to their audience about that harm and increase the number of people overall who think it's wrong.

I'll also appreciate them telling their audience about male people using gender identity to get into women's prisons.

At the same time I'm relaxed about finding others of their views to be cobblers.

There was a spat between KK and Aja and he told her to feck off. Then blocked her. She challenged him about using opposite pronouns for trans people. May have been about Adam Graham, if I recall. He was very defensive and angry.

Yup, the trig guys strike me as men who LOVE gender and don’t think very deeply about women’s rights and needs

that’s OK. There’s lots of men like that. They’re useful when they’re useful and I’m not obliged to pay them any attention at any other time

Yes, that’s the thing about gender. It’s very flattering for men. It positions them as superior.

Yes, I don't think they have changed sides, because they've never understood the issue from a woman's perspective, even when they've interviewed women about it.

that’s OK. There’s lots of men like that. They’re useful when they’re useful and I’m not obliged to pay them any attention at any other time

Yes, exactly.

He was very defensive and angry.

Cognitive dissonance.

I do find free speechers who do the pronoun thing puzzling

They have their own definition of trans, and want the right to misgender when someone doesnt meet that definition. So they wouldn't see a rapist as trans, but maybe someone who looks more 'womanly' or who isnt violent is?

Its basically the right for everyone to have their own definitions of woman and trans.

Except when they're the "women".

Then they are even more superior.

KK tends to get testy if he is challenged by women in my experience. If it’s a man he will just consider it “banter” or part of a discussion.

I suspect they’re of the ‘any man who’d humiliate himself by wearing a skirt and make up and saying he’s not a man must be genuine. I mean what kind of man would want to look feminine? Only a not real man, that’s what kind’ persuasion

and obviously any poor man who is not a real man deserves sympathy, all the pronouns she could wish for and anything else her poor vulnerable heart desires

Belief in gender also makes it possible for men who appropriate femininity to be given legitimacy as pseudo-women. Hence she/her pronouns for men who are sufficiently feminine (specifically in behaviour) since femininity is important to womanhood (because masculinity is important to men).

They seemed able to deal with Julie Bindel. She doesn’t present especially ‘feminine’ which probably helped them

it’s quite fun watching sexist men deal with feminine presenting take no shit women. Unless you’re the woman in question of course

I thought it was something to do with Dylan Mulvaney and a Matt Walsh video about him. If I understand correctly, it was along the lines of them not having a problem referring to DM as 'she' now that he has had facial feminisation surgery and the feeling that MW was overly harsh.

But that is only what I have picked up from other people talking about it

From what I remember.

1. Matt Walsh made that video about Dylan.
2. Triggernometry talked about it on one of their live streams saying that even though what he was saying was right, it didn't help to say it in the way he did. KK called Dylan she a few times during this.
3. Matt Walsh then made a video having ago at Triggernomtry about it.

At some point between 2&3 above (I think), Aya commented to KK about using she pronouns, he blew up and told her to fuck off and blocked her.
It's a pity because he talks sense about a lot of things but really didn't like being challenged by a woman.