Triggernometry - changing sides?

[Righthandcider]

I've just been watching a Mr Menno video from this week. At one point he responds to someone in the chat who says that the Triggernometry hosts have 'let the side down so badly' and have been slating someone - the name sounded like 'Ajah'.

I can't find anything about this and wondered if anyone here could shed any light?

They aren't on the opposite path, they have clearly set out their journey to end all gender woo as they think their part in its downfall is due to them hosting women who actually did something.

Although to be fair the reason that Triggernometry exists is because they were cancelled themselves.

When that double rapist comes out of prison in 4 years I'll expect him to go on tour promoting his part in gender woo woo's collapse as well.

Anything to put themselves on the right side of history. It seems to be a thing that men are really concerned about.

Triggernometry was a confusing listen for me. I know I will be accused of wanting an echo chamber around me, but I really couldn't listen to people like Lawrence Fox. I know I'm unreasonable for wanting to put people in a good/bad box, but I don't understand who they are or where they are coming from. Probably a failure on my part.

I do like Blocked and Reported a lot.

I love blocked and reported.

I get this

I tried to watch the Winston Marshall / Matt Walsh Spectator TV thing linked upthread but couldn't deal with it because

1. it's called Marshall Matters. We really are in 'Youth Hosteling with Kris Akabusi' territory here. It's like Brass Eye never happened

2. Winston Marshall appears to be sporting a man bun

3. I can't deal with listening to someone (matt walsh), who clearly takes it for granted that gay people getting married is morally wrong, gender conformity is morally right and he is the centre of the universe

I know I should be able to listen to people of all stripes. but life is short and the world is full of tiresome men. I don't need to or indeed have to seek them out

I agree with all previous posters that it would be a mistake to lean on Triggernometry as friends of women per se. They strike me as conservative and pro traditional gender roles (and I don't care about what political parties they might vote for), precisely the type that doesn't like the current gender fad but has no problem with "it's just easier for women to look after children, innit, because biology" gender. They have some interesting guests and conversations, but critical, properly fact-finding journalists they are not, nor particularly insightful or questioning. They are prickly and biased - laddish as you say - behaviour they criticise in others. When the conversations are good it's because of the guests, not them as interviewers. Which is fair enough to a point, it's not their metier. I haven't forgotten how they immediately swallowed what'shisname's arguments in the anti-abortion episode - oh how compelling a man's arguments against abortion were to them! Or the recent interview with Greg Wallis where even the comment section is full of "come on lads, surely you see you're completely falling for this man's victim narrative?"

I appreciate that they give a platform for (some) women to talk, but IMO they only give it because it suits them - either because they want to provoke what they call the "woke"/they've stubbornly decided they believe in free speech and will promote it and this is a free speech thing or because the woman in question somehow affirms a world-view they have.

I enjoyed the psychopath episode, mind.

KJK is physically feminine presenting, but she has that air about her of taking no shit from anyone, which would not generally be considered feminine at all.

Just wish I could cultivate some of it myself.

Thanks for sharing the link.

Careful. I tried that and it got me pushed out of two jobs before I worked out that middle aged women must be nice if they want (need) to stay employed.

KJK gets away with it because she doesn't have a boss for her colleagues to complain to.

'I haven't forgotten how they immediately swallowed what'shisname's arguments in the anti-abortion episode - oh how compelling a man's arguments against abortion were to them!'

Oh gosh yes, they seemed to fully agree with him. I don't think either of them really give a shiny shit about women. If you haven't already, watch their interview with Ann Furedi from BPAS, who puts a staunchly pro-choice argument to them. She was BRILLIANT - really calm, clear, presented info in a really accessible way and it was all very civilised

And yes, the psychopath episode was fantastic

I stopped listening to Blocked and Reported when they started defending paedophilia and asking us to feel sorry for child abusers. Oh anD also the hate for glinner.

As I understand it, KK has gone on a #bekind mission after Matt Walsh was mean about Dylan Mulvaney. Literally all Trigs followers took Matt Walsh's side. This seems to have triggered KK into a meltdown.

I think KK has a bit of a temper. He's been an angry twat on twitter many times. Not just to women though.

I missed them defending paedophilia. When did they do that?

I'm clearly a bit out of the loop, e.g. I don't know about the Matt Walsh stuff and arguably I should catch up before I post but hey... Anyway I think it's a mistake to view the two guys as a single mind. Francis Foster is normally the quieter one of the two but he's always struck me as more thoughtful. Plus I think as an ex teacher, his focus is more on the transitioning of children and the creep of the ideology into schools.

They had a few episodes on this. One was talking to a group of child abusers about their online group. Katie and Jesse informed us that paedophilia is a sexual orientation and they can't help it. They were clearly groomed by another paedo who convinced them that they would never act on their urges and that they should be part of destigmatising paedophilia. There were a number of episodes over a few months.

I like Blocked and Reported but having listened enough I'd say there are a number of issues where their position looks like: "as liberals we don't go there".

The Greg Ellis episode was appalling. I'd never heard of him going into to it but about 10 minutes in I thought there's something really 'off' about this tale so I skipped to the comments and discovered the real story. Even hardcore fans were WTF guys?

Yet every time I've watched them interview Posie they've given her quite a rough ride for her men aren't women ever stance (in the interests of balance of course!) yet this bloke spouted clearly provable and untrue shite completely unchallenged.

They didn''t really. They talked about people with those tendancies who never act on it. People who have never committed a crime. I didn't see it as a defence.

I don't agree with everything on Blocked and Reported. I don't think such a perfect podcast exists, but they aren't bad on the science of trans issues. The paedophilia discussions were a bit of a low point, but I do think it sounds worse than it was.

I find it fascinating that the Trigger lads are self proclaimed comedians. I have never found them or their podcasts remotely funny.

I disagree. I think it was awful and showed a huge lack of judgement and discernment. They were challenged at the time, and have been challenged ever since, but have only ever doubled down on it. They made a big deal out of criticising anyone who had a problem with it as illiberal and unkind.

I think Katie is definitely more GC than Jesse, but they both slag off Glinner and JK Rowling and anyone else who doesn't fall in with their "liberal" line - which is basically that trans people are poor vulnerable victims who are bullied by terfs, but there are some reasonable terfs too, ones who are "liberal" like they are.

I did use to like B&R but I really went off them after the paedophilia stuff and the way they doubled down on it.

Hmm, it's a while since I listened to it so perhaps need to listen again. I don't think it would stop me listening but it's definitely something to keep in mind. I don't follow them on any other platform, so was unaware of the controversy. I know I've winced at some of the things they have said, but like the fact that they appear even-handed politically, although obviously more left than right.

I don't get the vibe at all that they empathise with trans people and are against terfs. If anything they are becoming more gc and have said so very recently. I can see their eyes being open to this even more in the last few weeks.

I don't think they're GC because they're not critical of gender. They're critical about some of the ways in which gender can be used to facilitate abuse.

I didn’t take that away from the BARpod’s paedophilia episodes. I disagree with their stance, and think that some taboos and stigmas serve a useful social function.

However their argument seemed to be that the focus needs to be on the prevention of harm and groups which allow (as they see it) sufferers of paedophilic impulses to work through them in a safe, therapeutic environment with an emphasis on non contact which will (they believe) get a better outcome than forcing these people underground where they are more likely to offend. There was also an episode on the case of Allyn Walker who lost their job after arguing for the destigmatisation of non-offending “minor attracted people” as part of their research. Non offending paedophiles were presented as vulnerable and I think K and J’s position is that there needs to be an evidence led treatment pathway, to help people manage their problem, rather than stigmatisation and ostracism which is likely to cause more rather than less harm to children.

I think their position is naive, but I don’t think they were defending paedophiles as such, rather arguing for a therapeutic approach to managing non-offenders rather than punishing them for feelings they didn’t choose and who may be suffering with a host of other mental health conditions.

Same, also was about that Greg dude, never heard of him, but he was possibly the most glaring wrong un I have come across for awhile. They were so credulous, I didn't read any comments at the time, but glad I wasn't just imagining it.

Really enjoy the podcast mostly, good on them.