KJK's film out at 8pm tonight

[lochmaree]

Just came back from the pub, not virtuous enough for leafletting, but managed drunken conversation. Got on very well with/peaked a very interesting woman who seemed to be waiting for someone to talk to about all the obvious stuff you might expect. Sometimes speech is good. But she'd heard of Posie and wanted to talk about her, and more importantly how anything Standing for Women was being shut down..

I think the article has a point. I enjoyed the film, but on reflection, the next day, I couldn’t really work out what the goal was. It did feel like it was a documentary about a celebrity rather than one to inform about the issues or the activism. I feel the film was a little bit ‘style over content’. I imagine it was aimed at someone other than me.

I wonder if they just had too much stress trying to get the permissions to use other people’s footage at the events- was it taking too long to get it signed off, so they just went with the footage they 100% owned to get the thing finished? It did feel like that was missing.

I think the problem was the kick back they started getting in America was more than they'd expected to get so things went to pot. But she wasnt there to make a polished documentary she was there to show how difficult it was for women in America to speak and if nothing else it did that.

And this was always going to be wrong either way. If she'd not focused on the LWS events and instead done a more stylised sit down and talk with people go on about statistics and hands out leaflets documentary you can bet they'd have slated her for that as well.

It was a couple of hours watching what happened when KJK replicated her events here. And unsurprisingly the results are the same. shakey footage and women getting shouted down by men.

It showed the truth of b how out is in America. That was what she aimed to show.that's what it showed.

It is a film about KJK and it will not be watched by anyone except fans and a few people who are already critical of her.

'she sat out the event, pouting in a Starbucks' - never have I come across 'feminists' who like to sneer at other women so much. Have they really nothing better to do than spend their days trying to bring down other women?

It's had 35k views in 5 days. More than her fans and a few critical of her.

Comments section shows that incels and TRAs have viewed it too. So obviously reaching a wider audience.

How many unique viewers?
It is a long film, lots will go back and watch it in stages so views itself is pretty meaningless.

she sat out the event, pouting in a Starbucks'

Yeah, the tone was pretty unnecessary.

However, I feel that it is acceptable to critique people’s releases and I don’t think all criticism is derived from jealousy. When you read most reviews they can be a bit mean can’t they? Isn’t that what makes reviews entertaining? I think KJK can chalk it up as an achievement.

I've no issue with critique - I think it's essential. I'd engaged with the review up until that point. It's just that some people seem to be actually incapable of holding back the sneers.

To address the main point of criticism- a film about KJK, called 'KJK in the US', was ... too much about KJK. Its a fair cop.

I liked that there was not a tight narrative and that it had a somewhat haphazard feel. It was more natural and probably what the film makers were going for. It was strongest and most powerful when women were speaking at the events when protesters were trying to shut them down. I also appreciated the women talking directly to the camera and their motivations. Good to see KJK with her fearless, straight talking and her humour.

In the end, it did exactly what it set out to do: let women speak.

I don’t think the AGCL lot can realise how bad they actually look when they keep sniping. And when people start threads on MN about ‘oh, I think KJK’s great, really, but what about this….???!!!’ they’re not being nearly as subtle as they think they are.

I watched KJK's documentary it shortly after listening to episode 3 of The Witch Trials of JK Rowling, and I think they're good companions to each other.

The Witch Trials are working on showing parallels between the crazy religious fundamentalist protests against Harry Potter in the 90s/00s, and the crazy gender fundamentalist protests going on now.

But a lot of people won't have actually seen the crazy going on now. It's not covered in the same way as the previous religious nutjobs because sympathisers in the media cover it up or downplay it.

That KJK piece was as much as anything documentation of how brazen they are, and how much they're being enabled, particularly in the US.

She has 70K subscribers.

For me, it was moaning about her being late a couple of times.

Here is a woman with credible threats to her safety, in somewhere other than her own country, with different laws, putting on challenging events where she isn’t able to do a dry run, she is likely to have all sorts of last-minute organisational and safety issues to consider, each one is a one-off, who has set up an expectation of always having a well-groomed appearance, has her family, miles away, to consider.

The idea that she could deliver all that perfectly, is ludicrous in my opinion. So that’s where it tipped over for me, from being a well-argued piece, to a bad-mouthing whinge.

a film about KJK, called 'KJK in the US', was ... too much about KJK.

And I think this is what I didn’t like. I’m not that interested in a film about an individual campaigner- it’s just not my thing, I wanted to see a film about the activism and see how it compares to what I’m familiar with in the UK. Perhaps if someone hasn’t been following all this, as NecessaryScene says, it probably does show how crap things are in the USA.

Sure, Endless. And one could easily make that type of criticism and it would be worth discussing.

But this review is from a person who appears to have made it a mission to deride, undermine and impugn a woman at every possible opportunity. For no discernible reason.

Lol they are seething KJK gets so much attention and can't hide it. This was not an objective criticism piece, so many little sneers and digs that try not to be too obvious.

I think she did wel.

I'm watching this right now and Kellie-Jay says this at 31:05:

"I think there’s something really interesting that’s been displayed by this latest kind of social changes at work which I think is an engineered change and I think we have to start thinking that if gay rights were just about women would they ever have been …would they ever have even happened? Would lesbians ever have got anywhere if it wasn’t for the benefit of gay men?

"I’m just wondering if all along it was just about men’s rights and that’s why any civil rights movement that contains men as victims is far more likely to succeed than civil rights movements that actually talk about women."

So true and very depressing.

Yes it is depressing. When she said that my heart sank. Because I think she might be right.

KJK is against lesbian rights. She does not think two women should have a baby for example. All she cares about is transgender.

Aren’t you confusing “can” and “should”. I don’t want to go down that road again, but I am sick to the back teeth of the entitlement of people attempting to mangle reality and biology on the back of mangled language and other people’s politeness.

Two women cannot make a baby.
Making babies is the result of the male gamete uniting with the female gamete in the body of a woman.

It is not KJK who made this so. It is nature. Frustrating if you are a woman who wants to be a mother but don’t fancy men and you can’t find a man to make children with without having sex. But not KJK’s fault.

How is it a “right” to have a baby? What other “lesbian rights” does KJK want taken away?

Ooh @EndlessTea are we saying Mother Nature is now homophobic as well as transphobic? 😀

Mother nature is at times a loud and proud cunt!

You gotta admire her @Boiledbeetle

I'll admire her once I've returned from my ridiculously early booked (8am apt, yeah fine said I!?!) smear. She really is a cunt this morning!😁