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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Experiences of a Trans Person

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invalide · 27/02/2023 16:11

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.

I'm an early-twenties STEM student working in renewable energies, and outside of my course I'm a photographer and musician. I've travelled a fair amount and adore my home country of Scotland. Living in Glasgow, I have found a queer community of beautiful people who create a joy to everyday life I treasure.

At the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd, carrying out my photojournalistic duties (images 1&2). While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts and members of the crowd flaunting their homophobia and their use of dogwhistles (subliminal far-right messaging) I was being brazenly looked up and down, receiving steely gazes and pursed lips and hushed whispers behind my back. While photographing the first speaker after Keen, who began her piece portraying autistic people as children devoid of agency, I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point (captured at 8:42 here and 9:09 here).
The atmosphere your movement brought to George Square was one I've only before experienced while documenting far-right rallies in Eastern Europe, where I have been hounded through the streets and beaten up for the same reason. I assure you, your ideology would feel very much at home there.

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

Ours was a crowd of locals; I strained to hear a Glasgow accent in yours.

Ours is a city that at short notice manages to fill the top of Buchanan Street (image 5) in solidarity with the queer community - the last time I saw it like this was during COP26. It's one that fills George Square in a candlelit vigil for Brianna Ghey.

Your movement has meant I'm called a pervert and a groomer while going about my average daily life. Our morally vacuous, increasingly fascist political class (thinking also of Magnus Hirschfeld and of Martin Niemöller's famous poem) is picking up what you've started and they're running with it. You may not call yourself a homophobe, a white nationalist or an antisemite, but you're sitting awfully comfortably considering that those that do find your movement incredibly attractive.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 17:58

Imagine not realising that transactivism is the patriarchy wearing a new pair of dangly earrings.

Quite!

Baaaaaa · 27/02/2023 18:02

invalide · 27/02/2023 16:54

Their destruction will come about by the same political movement. Keen, who you lot rally behind, rubs shoulders with anti-abortion activists and white nationalists.

"Their destruction " being "lesbian destruction" ??

I can see you need the bubbles.

Experiences of a Trans Person
LangClegsInSpace · 27/02/2023 18:03

'I am trans and here is my enormous screed about me ...' AND top level KJK trashing all in one thread?

How efficient.

SinnerBoy · 27/02/2023 18:04

Mum23amazingkids · Today 17:47

Are you Mridul Wadwha?

No idea who you mean so for sure I’m not

He's the man in charge of Edinburgh Rape Crisis, who called women who've been raped bigots, because they didn't want men in rape shelters and threatened to prevent them from going. Realising later that this was a tad passe, he then ordered them to reframe their trauma and educate themselves into accepting the "male penis"

The fucking great dolt.

BoreOfWhabylon · 27/02/2023 18:04

OP's twitter reveals the semi-coherent, yet massively pompous babblings of someone who needs to grow the fuck up.

Also, enthusiastic promoter of the Blaclk Pampers and their ilk to all 97 followers

In the words of Jane Austen,
"That will do extremely well, child. You have delighted us long enough."

TheBiologyStupid · 27/02/2023 18:05

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 27/02/2023 17:54

Bless.

Imagine not realising that transactivism is the patriarchy wearing a new pair of dangly earrings.

Brilliant!

Grammarnut · 27/02/2023 18:08

There are a few others he should have cut out ('this time it's placards, next time not' and what looks like 'fuck tory fascists' - difficult to see). And this was a lovely, happy, joyful, colourful outpouring of - well, hate for women by the looks of it.

JoodyBlue · 27/02/2023 18:08

SinnerBoy · 27/02/2023 18:04

Mum23amazingkids · Today 17:47

Are you Mridul Wadwha?

No idea who you mean so for sure I’m not

He's the man in charge of Edinburgh Rape Crisis, who called women who've been raped bigots, because they didn't want men in rape shelters and threatened to prevent them from going. Realising later that this was a tad passe, he then ordered them to reframe their trauma and educate themselves into accepting the "male penis"

The fucking great dolt.

@Mum23amazingkids @SinnerBoy has beaten me to it. But I was going to say that you really need to find out who Mridhul Wadwa is before you come onto a thread and call women bigots. You are revealing that you have made zero attempt to understand what many women are campaigining about. How can you make a serious comment on either side if you are not informed about the issues. At the very least, I would have googled the name.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2023 18:08

Baaaaaa · 27/02/2023 18:02

"Their destruction " being "lesbian destruction" ??

I can see you need the bubbles.

OP is in bed with the Iranian Regime. I think they should explain their oppression and lack of human rights.

Oh wait, guilt by association and sharing the same views doesn't work the other way round.

It only applies to women who are led by subliminal messages because they are incapable of independent thought and can only have views because someone else told them to.

SinnerBoy · 27/02/2023 18:10

Mridul Wadwha makes my bloody flesh crawl, the sinister bloody something or other.

Fiddledediddledeedee · 27/02/2023 18:11

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 17:15

The thread got hidden briefly, then opened up again. There have been a lot of deletions of women defending themselves against the overt misogyny of the OP and the kind of people who think it's acceptable to threaten women with violence for standing up for women and girls. The monitors are watching.

And yet the accusations made by OP have remained.
Aren't some of the things OP has said tantamount to ‘hate’ Mumsnet.?

BoreOfWhabylon · 27/02/2023 18:12

And OP has locked his twitter Grin

Rookie error there, Piccolo. Poor judgement. You'll hopefully learn as you get older.

Still, your followers increased by 1, so not all bad, eh?

Naunet · 27/02/2023 18:14

at the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd

How do you think women feel when our sex is being erased and appropriated by males? When we’re reduced to a performance? How do you think women locked up with rapists feel? Can you maybe use how you felt as some insight to how GC women feel?

Thelnebriati · 27/02/2023 18:15

We aren't the ones trying to get the law changed to remove the rights of 50% of the population. So there's that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 18:16

I have seldom felt more unwelcome

It wasn't about you and your feelings, it was about women.

SinnerBoy · 27/02/2023 18:16

Can you maybe use how you felt as some insight to how GC women feel?

I don't think that's anything like the point of it it, it's to dominate and oppress. They couldn't give a tuppence about women, or how you feel, only themselves, themselves, themselves.

Or at least, that's what several years of reading their self pitying drivel has led me to conclude.

NotHavingIt · 27/02/2023 18:18

invalide · 27/02/2023 16:47

The problem is patriarchy and vile men, not the trans community. People do not come away from your demonstrations more aware of sick abusive men, instead they grow hate towards any and all trans and gender non-conforming people, and anyone who stands with us.

Sadly that is one of the consequences of pushing radical queer theory in the guise of gender identity theory - there are unintended casualties - namely those who have no interest in ideological imposition or domination and just want to be left to get on with their lives in peace.

You must be aware that people tend to come out and demonstrate and draw red lines in the sand when they are provoked to do so by another party transgressing their boundaries and their integrity as a distinct human grouping or community. Trying to re-write the rules without consultation; trespassing on territory not theirs to occupy.

You don't get to push without push-back. Two sides of the same dynamic.

The main source of hatred has for year been tranactivists - going back to when you were still just a young teenager. Censure, prohibition, cancellation, abuse, name calling, intimidation and assault.

Don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs ( there goes a traditional saying). Women of a certain age know all about 'the patriarchy' as you put it, in all of it many manifestations. We know it, we see it, we smell it, we recognise it.

jellyfrizz · 27/02/2023 18:20

invalide · 27/02/2023 17:40

Thanks very much, it got exactly the ill-thought through bile you can only expect on here and I'm sorry your reply is getting dogpiled too, I absolutely agree.

Dogpile, dog whistle. Furry fantasy?

SinnerBoy · 27/02/2023 18:21

Dogshit, I think.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 27/02/2023 18:22

SinnerBoy · 27/02/2023 18:21

Dogshit, I think.

Either that or horse shit.

Rheia1983 · 27/02/2023 18:22

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 18:16

I have seldom felt more unwelcome

It wasn't about you and your feelings, it was about women.

Agree.

Just because I'm a woman (the original kind) doesn't mean it's my responsibility to make transwomen feel welcome or to pander to their beliefs.

WinterTrees · 27/02/2023 18:22

Don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs ( there goes a traditional saying). Women of a certain age know all about 'the patriarchy' as you put it, in all of it many manifestations. We know it, we see it, we smell it, we recognise it

And most of us here have been living under its boot since yer man was a twinkle in his sperm donor's eye.

CompleteGinasaur · 27/02/2023 18:23

invalide · 27/02/2023 17:40

Thanks very much, it got exactly the ill-thought through bile you can only expect on here and I'm sorry your reply is getting dogpiled too, I absolutely agree.

Isn't it ironic, though, that the OP comes here out of the goodness of his heart, to point out our errors and enlighten the darkness of our wrong-thinking echo chamber... and then spends all his time directing the blessings of his wisdom at the single, solitary poster he can find who agrees with him...

nilsmousehammer · 27/02/2023 18:25

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Melroses · 27/02/2023 18:26

TheBiologyStupid · 27/02/2023 17:52

Much older - that's only their working life, and even then just in one particular sector.

Who knows - there may have been many more working lives, like Orlando 🤔

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