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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Autistic teen told to call male TA “Mx” & not “Sir” or “Mr *name*

446 replies

BethDuttonsTwin · 24/02/2023 16:51

This happened to dd this morning at school. She then came out of school at told me she no longer wants one to one help in her lessons - her EHCP says 25 hours a week. It’s too difficult to remember what to call him and she’s embarrassed she will get it wrong in front of the other students.

What now? I want to make a formal complaint. Am raging tbh. Can someone tell me who I need to be contacting please? The school are totally woke and rainbow soaked. Thank you.

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NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 20:57

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2023 20:51

NRTFT but am absolutely INFURIATED that anyone would think that an autistic child should somehow fucking suppress their anxiety to meet the needs of some entitled FUCKING TWAT of an adult whose FUCKING JOB it should be to make her life easier.

Fuck off to the absolute far side of fuck you incomprehensible dickheads.

Everything she said!

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 20:59

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2023 20:51

NRTFT but am absolutely INFURIATED that anyone would think that an autistic child should somehow fucking suppress their anxiety to meet the needs of some entitled FUCKING TWAT of an adult whose FUCKING JOB it should be to make her life easier.

Fuck off to the absolute far side of fuck you incomprehensible dickheads.

YES. I am WITH you

MichelleScarn · 24/02/2023 21:00

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2023 20:51

NRTFT but am absolutely INFURIATED that anyone would think that an autistic child should somehow fucking suppress their anxiety to meet the needs of some entitled FUCKING TWAT of an adult whose FUCKING JOB it should be to make her life easier.

Fuck off to the absolute far side of fuck you incomprehensible dickheads.

Absolutely agree, some of the comments are not good for the blood pressure of a heavily pregnant woman. "She'll just need to learn" 🤯🤯🤬🤬

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 21:02

''adult man prioritises his very special identity, over the SEN child he is paid to help''.

'' well its a good opportunity to educate her''

GET TO FUCK.

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 21:03

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 21:02

''adult man prioritises his very special identity, over the SEN child he is paid to help''.

'' well its a good opportunity to educate her''

GET TO FUCK.

👏👏👏

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 21:07

BethDuttonsTwin · 24/02/2023 20:24

The rights and wrongs of the pronouns are not what (on the surface) the OP was questioning. Although clearly that was me being naïve to the real agenda here and so I have asked for my post to be deleted so you can carry on.

Pronouns are nonsense but we are stuck with them. I care only about my child potentially refusing to engage with the 25 hours a week 1 2 1 I sweated blood and tears to get for her. There’s no other agenda except angry helplessness that some cultish ideology is the thing that might screw it all up!

lets face it OP, Mx is a title your DD is going to come up against many times in her life, why not just help her accept it? Or is she going to run away from anyone with that title forever? what happens if its a banker, a lecturer, a pharmacist, a carer, a job interview? anyone could be Mx. I have met many, and I am sure I will meet many more.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 21:11

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 21:07

lets face it OP, Mx is a title your DD is going to come up against many times in her life, why not just help her accept it? Or is she going to run away from anyone with that title forever? what happens if its a banker, a lecturer, a pharmacist, a carer, a job interview? anyone could be Mx. I have met many, and I am sure I will meet many more.

I haven't met any and I do know multiple people who identify as non-binary.

And whether the OP's daughter will encounter people who use the title Mx in the future is irrelevant to the issue of her being able to access education now.

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 21:11

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 21:07

lets face it OP, Mx is a title your DD is going to come up against many times in her life, why not just help her accept it? Or is she going to run away from anyone with that title forever? what happens if its a banker, a lecturer, a pharmacist, a carer, a job interview? anyone could be Mx. I have met many, and I am sure I will meet many more.

lets face it OP, Mx is a title your DD is going to come up against many times in her life, why not just help her accept it?
It really isn't. There are lots of us who have lived our entire lives without encountering it at all.
Not everything has to be approached from the "Oh, fuck it, let's just bow to the inevitable" standpoint you seem to favour.

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2023 21:14

No.

No, let's not "face it".

Fuck off.

It's fucking egocentric bullshit and a child's education and mental health should not being being fucking compromised for the sake of it.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 21:14

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 21:07

lets face it OP, Mx is a title your DD is going to come up against many times in her life, why not just help her accept it? Or is she going to run away from anyone with that title forever? what happens if its a banker, a lecturer, a pharmacist, a carer, a job interview? anyone could be Mx. I have met many, and I am sure I will meet many more.

ASD is a developmental disorder.

You are expecting a teenager with a developmental disorder to behave like an adult.

And I have never spent 25 hours of my week with my pharmacist. Or needed to say anything to them beyond ‘I’m here to collect my repeat’ and ‘thank you’.

If you don’t understand what school is like for an autistic teen, perhaps go post on a different thread?

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 21:14

If the OP's daughter was a wheelchair-user, and she'd been given a timetable of classes held on floors that didn't have step-free access, would you tell her that her daughter will have to encounter stairs eventually?

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 21:15

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 21:14

ASD is a developmental disorder.

You are expecting a teenager with a developmental disorder to behave like an adult.

And I have never spent 25 hours of my week with my pharmacist. Or needed to say anything to them beyond ‘I’m here to collect my repeat’ and ‘thank you’.

If you don’t understand what school is like for an autistic teen, perhaps go post on a different thread?

I have a horrible feeling @Nimbostratus100 is a teacher 🤦‍♀️

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 21:16

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 21:14

If the OP's daughter was a wheelchair-user, and she'd been given a timetable of classes held on floors that didn't have step-free access, would you tell her that her daughter will have to encounter stairs eventually?

well...As the DWP like to get people to attend PIP assessments in buildings with stepped entrances and no lift I'm gong to guess some people will think it acceptable to say it!

ApocalipstickNow · 24/02/2023 21:16

There’s a LOT of not understanding how anxiety can affect autistic people on this thread. 🤦‍♀️

it is really the 1-1’s responsibility to assuage that anxiety.

Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 21:17

And then there’s the issue of young autistic girls being particularly vulnerable to gender ideology and how it might impact her to spend 25 hours submerged in someone else’s reality. Particularly as THIS someone seems to be focused on what would help them not their charge.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 21:18

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 21:15

I have a horrible feeling @Nimbostratus100 is a teacher 🤦‍♀️

🙈

Intolerant/unreasonable teachers are a major reason why so many ND kids fail to reach their potential in high school.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 21:18

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 21:16

well...As the DWP like to get people to attend PIP assessments in buildings with stepped entrances and no lift I'm gong to guess some people will think it acceptable to say it!

There is NO BAR too low for these people, is there? Angry

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2023 21:18

OP, I would suggest asking some questions of the school. Namely - why is your daughter so anxious about this?

Something is going wrong with their provision if students are being made so uncomfortable and anxious they are not wanting to attend. Is it this individual person, or is it the ideology itself? Or both?

Either way, I think the school needs to consider how they are going to handle this contentious ideology so that it doesn't cause upset and problems among staff and students.

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 21:18

ApocalipstickNow · 24/02/2023 21:16

There’s a LOT of not understanding how anxiety can affect autistic people on this thread. 🤦‍♀️

it is really the 1-1’s responsibility to assuage that anxiety.

I'm guessing they've never witnessed/experienced how easy it is for the smallest of things to be the biggest of obstacles

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 21:19

Yes, OPs daughter is likely to meet narcisstic ideological people in denial of reality at other points in her life.

Hopefully she wont have to sit next to them for 25 hours a week though.

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 21:19

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 21:14

ASD is a developmental disorder.

You are expecting a teenager with a developmental disorder to behave like an adult.

And I have never spent 25 hours of my week with my pharmacist. Or needed to say anything to them beyond ‘I’m here to collect my repeat’ and ‘thank you’.

If you don’t understand what school is like for an autistic teen, perhaps go post on a different thread?

I just don't understand the hatred and rage on this thread - and yes, I have educated literally hundreds of teens with autism, many in schools where the title Mx is used by some staff along side Mr, Miss, Dr, Mrs, Ms and Rev. Its no better or worse than anything else, its a personal choice, and has been around a long time, and is increasing in popularity.

It is not in any way related to pronouns and forced speech, quite the opposite, it is generally chosen by people who don't want their emails to be read in a prejudiced way because their sex is obvious.

All we know about this member of staff is that he has introduced himself as Mx Smith, or whatever. A perfectly normal interaction

You are not going to get anywhere by going into school and complaining about a teacher or TA's name

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 21:21

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 21:19

I just don't understand the hatred and rage on this thread - and yes, I have educated literally hundreds of teens with autism, many in schools where the title Mx is used by some staff along side Mr, Miss, Dr, Mrs, Ms and Rev. Its no better or worse than anything else, its a personal choice, and has been around a long time, and is increasing in popularity.

It is not in any way related to pronouns and forced speech, quite the opposite, it is generally chosen by people who don't want their emails to be read in a prejudiced way because their sex is obvious.

All we know about this member of staff is that he has introduced himself as Mx Smith, or whatever. A perfectly normal interaction

You are not going to get anywhere by going into school and complaining about a teacher or TA's name

Bollox has it been around a long time!

Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 21:23

I have a large family and none of my children (only a couple left in school now) have come across this in use before Uni

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 21:23

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 21:19

I just don't understand the hatred and rage on this thread - and yes, I have educated literally hundreds of teens with autism, many in schools where the title Mx is used by some staff along side Mr, Miss, Dr, Mrs, Ms and Rev. Its no better or worse than anything else, its a personal choice, and has been around a long time, and is increasing in popularity.

It is not in any way related to pronouns and forced speech, quite the opposite, it is generally chosen by people who don't want their emails to be read in a prejudiced way because their sex is obvious.

All we know about this member of staff is that he has introduced himself as Mx Smith, or whatever. A perfectly normal interaction

You are not going to get anywhere by going into school and complaining about a teacher or TA's name

Unfortunately for op's daughter, she will not be communicating with this individual by email, and the very problem is that she knows fine well what sex he is.
But, go on, shite on about hate 🙄

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 21:24

All we know about this member of staff is that he has introduced himself as Mx Smith, or whatever. A perfectly normal interaction

Not in the school life of most of the posters on here. I for one never had a male, or female teacher wanting to be known as Mx. up until recently is never heard the sodding word, so no it's not perfectly normal.