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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Autistic teen told to call male TA “Mx” & not “Sir” or “Mr *name*

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BethDuttonsTwin · 24/02/2023 16:51

This happened to dd this morning at school. She then came out of school at told me she no longer wants one to one help in her lessons - her EHCP says 25 hours a week. It’s too difficult to remember what to call him and she’s embarrassed she will get it wrong in front of the other students.

What now? I want to make a formal complaint. Am raging tbh. Can someone tell me who I need to be contacting please? The school are totally woke and rainbow soaked. Thank you.

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Spanky123 · 24/02/2023 20:13

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common sense has prevailed.

Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 20:14

It would help more if you supported your child to manage their fear around this, not add to it by catastrophising and over reacting. Just reinforce, that they can only try their best, it's ok to make mistakes etc, it doesn't sound like anyone has said otherwise.
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mid the child could in ANY way just be supported in this way why on Earth would they need 1:1 25hpw???

Soontobe60 · 24/02/2023 20:14

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 17:35

Mx ( pronounced (mux) is a perfectly normal well used title, standard for many years, a choice for anyone that doesnt want their title to be sex-linked

Having worked in schools for 33 years, I can safely say that I have never worked alongside anyone who calls themselves ‘mix’. Miss, mr, miss, ms or sir.
Most kids use Miss or sir depending on the sex of the staff member.

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 20:15

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A fortnal complaint that a person whose entire job it is to HELP MAKE EDUCATION MORE ACCESSIBLE, has brought their ideology to work and is asking a SEND pupil to use awkward language.

Its fucking obvious.

Unless of course you blinkeredly prioritise an adult man's feelings over a childs access to educations.

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 20:15

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No.
No, nothing like Charlotte wanting to be called Lottie 🙄
The cognitive dissonance required to accept this beardy bloke sitting in front of you is not a man because he says he's not and therefore the usual Mr. should not be used is not to be dismissed as of no consequence.
Stop it.

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 20:16

Exactly. Its creepy that men want to pretend they are not men

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 20:17

Ultinately this person has shown they are not able to do theor job correctly.

AdultHumanFemale · 24/02/2023 20:17

...and it's a no from me.

The stakes around misgendering are high at many schools and the social consequences of getting it wrong chilling. Kids at DC1's school have been hounded, surrounded, beaten, threatened, and shunned indefinitely after accidentally misgendering peers (still being 'punished' for transgressions months before).

DC1 is also ND and finds it anxiety inducing; she calls things how she sees them and has to think hard to wrap her head around preferred pronouns. She's opted out by now referring to literally everyone as 'they' or endlessly repeating their first name, which is ridiculous: Kit's mum says that Kit and Kit's brother can't go to Kit's dad's this weekend until Kit cleans Kit's room."

Sendco should champion your DD, and at the very least get the TA to wear an identifying name tag clearly displayed to remind your DD, alternatively give your DD permission to call them by their first name.

BethDuttonsTwin · 24/02/2023 20:19

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Woolandwonder · 24/02/2023 20:21

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 20:15

No.
No, nothing like Charlotte wanting to be called Lottie 🙄
The cognitive dissonance required to accept this beardy bloke sitting in front of you is not a man because he says he's not and therefore the usual Mr. should not be used is not to be dismissed as of no consequence.
Stop it.

But the argument that OP has given is not around their child's 'cognitive dissonance' but literally remembering to say Mx Smith rather than Mr Smith, which is pretty similar to remembering to refer to someone as Ms rather than Mrs or Lottie rather Charlotte.

The rights and wrongs of the pronouns are not what (on the surface) the OP was questioning. Although clearly that was me being naïve to the real agenda here and so I have asked for my post to be deleted so you can carry on.

BloggersBlog · 24/02/2023 20:23

My DS had a teacher called Mx Shnexal or something that sounded like that (not sure of spelling). They then decided that if the pupils failed to address them correctly, they'd get a "Behaviour Point"

Really helped their cause, not. I worked in the school and would see them with their pretty ladylike shoes with a bow, twinned with a man's tuxedo. Their choice obvs, but looked ruddy stupid and the kids just thought they looked an idiot.

They lasted a term

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 20:23

I'm actually giggling uncontrollably at the suggestion that it won't be a big deal if the Op's daughter accidentally refers to the TA as Mr.

BethDuttonsTwin · 24/02/2023 20:24

The rights and wrongs of the pronouns are not what (on the surface) the OP was questioning. Although clearly that was me being naïve to the real agenda here and so I have asked for my post to be deleted so you can carry on.

Pronouns are nonsense but we are stuck with them. I care only about my child potentially refusing to engage with the 25 hours a week 1 2 1 I sweated blood and tears to get for her. There’s no other agenda except angry helplessness that some cultish ideology is the thing that might screw it all up!

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WomanStanleyWoman2 · 24/02/2023 20:28

We all have things we don't want to do, which we have to do anyway

Like call people by their actual names…

Yes, people I work with every day. I have ten people whose names I don't know, and I have no idea what my line manager's name is, either.

You don’t know your line manager’s name?! 😆😆😆

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 20:33

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 24/02/2023 20:28

We all have things we don't want to do, which we have to do anyway

Like call people by their actual names…

Yes, people I work with every day. I have ten people whose names I don't know, and I have no idea what my line manager's name is, either.

You don’t know your line manager’s name?! 😆😆😆

Audience, please note that WomanStanleyWoman2 thinks laughing emojis are the appropriate way to react to a facet of my disability.

Right side of history stuff, this. Grin

I'm an adult so I don't really care about this kind of shite any more, but I do object to such treatment being meted out to disabled children. I didn't need a 25 hour a week EHCP!

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 20:33

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 24/02/2023 20:28

We all have things we don't want to do, which we have to do anyway

Like call people by their actual names…

Yes, people I work with every day. I have ten people whose names I don't know, and I have no idea what my line manager's name is, either.

You don’t know your line manager’s name?! 😆😆😆

A person's title is not their "actual name".

WarriorN · 24/02/2023 20:40

MichelleScarn · 24/02/2023 19:46

Posted too soon, are some people really not getting its the anxiety of even accidently getting it wrong that is the issue here for this child whose needs are such she had 25 hrs 1:1?! And the bloody adult who she and her parents are meant to trust to keep her safe and in school is the one causing this anxiety?! Words fucking fail me.

Yes the ableism is horrific

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 20:44

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 24/02/2023 20:28

We all have things we don't want to do, which we have to do anyway

Like call people by their actual names…

Yes, people I work with every day. I have ten people whose names I don't know, and I have no idea what my line manager's name is, either.

You don’t know your line manager’s name?! 😆😆😆

Wow! Does Disability discrimination mean nothing to you?

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2023 20:45

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/02/2023 17:49

Kids regularly misgender teachers / adults and it should never be an issue. I've never heard a married colleague have a hissy fit about being called Miss and I've never bothered about the accidental Mum or sir.
This is about the child and their learning - that's the purpose of schools. Schools are not platforms for adult performances about queer theory - no matter how often the ignorant about children activist groups would have us believe.

The OP's daughter has an EHCP for specific reasons and no adult should be negatively impacting on that for their own validation.

Hear, blooming hear.

I've worked with kids quite often, only a dick would get hung up on an innocent mistake like this.

WarriorN · 24/02/2023 20:48

For me it's also setting the stage for a sacred caste type set up.

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 20:48

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 20:44

Wow! Does Disability discrimination mean nothing to you?

The very type who would demand "re education" for any transgressions on
the pronoun front, too.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 20:48

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 20:44

Wow! Does Disability discrimination mean nothing to you?

Fortunately it means something at work.

So long as I hit my KPIs, and follow H&S regs, no-one seems to care if I refer to the managers as "glasses manager", "bearded manager" or "tall bald manager with the tattoos". Grin

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2023 20:51

NRTFT but am absolutely INFURIATED that anyone would think that an autistic child should somehow fucking suppress their anxiety to meet the needs of some entitled FUCKING TWAT of an adult whose FUCKING JOB it should be to make her life easier.

Fuck off to the absolute far side of fuck you incomprehensible dickheads.

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 20:52

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 20:48

Fortunately it means something at work.

So long as I hit my KPIs, and follow H&S regs, no-one seems to care if I refer to the managers as "glasses manager", "bearded manager" or "tall bald manager with the tattoos". Grin

Better than mine two of my work colleagues at one job I referred to as brother I've slept with and the one i haven't!

EsmaCannonball · 24/02/2023 20:55

It's not only enforced lying, it's enforced misogyny. It's degrading to be forced into parroting this anti-women ideology. Your daughter is being forced to pretend that women are nothing more than men's sexist conception of what it is to be a woman on pain of being punished by the school. Her only alternative is to compromise her education. They are putting a child in the position where she will feel humiliated every day.

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